Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies

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Re: Pakistani Taleban: Run by foreign agencies

@mercenary2k

Of course I disproved your argument. Don’t draw a false equivalency. **You did? Where? When? Where is the proof?
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You stated that USA supports TTP. I countered that US drones took out TTP leaders, TTP conducted joint operations with Afghan Taliban in attacking Pakistani Forces. If these two groups are being supported by polar opposites then they should clash instead of conducting joint operations. **When did they conducted joint operations? Or this a figment of your imagination. The drones are taking out the opponents of TTP and leaving TTP intact.
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Your links in a sad attempt to add proof that US backing TTP was beyond ridiculous. Rupee News, and ravings of a discredited ex-official, tattoos and uncircumsized penises. That was your proof. **The links were requested and I just posted them randomly they are not part of my argument. I knew you would shift your argument after I had provided the links as requested,.
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As for your questions.

US drones have taken out plenty of TTP leaders including Meshud.
**Plenty of leaders? Care to name a few of these nameless plenty of leaders?
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Militants from SWAT are seeking refuge wherever they can find. US does not have enough forces to hold every inch of Afghanistan. **After launching of SWAT operations the US if it was sincere would have been ready and waiting for them as they sought escape from SWAT. Can they not fly drones over those areas where TTP is based in Afghanistan and bomb them now.
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They changed their strategy, the so called Surge Strategy to focus on populated areas to win hearts and minds and thus gaps generally develop. **You are saying that the US will rule Kabul and the Taleban will rule 90% of Afghanistan. So we will have 13 years of war and deaths and destruction for nothing. You will be leaving Pakistan once again to mop up your mess behind you. And you will blame Pakistan for your own failure as you need a scapegoat.
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TTP is made of Pakistani tribal militants who are bent like their Afghan Taliban comrades to implement Sharia Law in Pakistan and thus they are focused on Pakistan. But TTP has killed CIA agents in Afghanistan, send a car bomber to blow up Times Square, etc. **Yes once in a while they make nonsense and false statements just to make it look like they are not supported by the US.
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Yes you are right. Pakistan created the Taliban to wage jihad in Afghanistan and Kashmir. But Pakistan lost control of these groups and these groups started sheltering international terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda. Pakistan was about to be declared a state sponsor of terrorism if it didn’t act and clean its territories of these groups and send its military there. The Tribals then created the TTP to overthrow the current government in Pakistan and implement Sharia Law in Pakistan similar to the way Afghan Taliban are trying to do in Afghanistan.
**I did not say that TTP was formed by Pakistan to fight India, but Med911 made that statement. So you are saying that Pakistan was forced to attack the tribal areas and that provided the US with an excuse to support individuals to form TTP. TTP only became into existence as a result of US war and its actions, but its guns are turned on Pakistan instead of the US.

**TTP has been devastated. Ever since the Drone strikes picked up steam since 2008, the number of terrorist attacks in Pakistan has decreased. Its like the rule of economics. As Price goes up, Demand Goes down. Similarly, as Drone strikes went up, terrorist attacks in Pakistan went down. Every other day, more TTP goons are being killed. **Drones kill opponents of TTP. However no doubt as soon as the US leaves Afghanistan its proxy will die a natural death.
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If there is so much proof that America is supporting TTP, then why doesn’t Pakistan present this proof out in the open to embarrass the USA? After all these TTP have killed thousands of Pakistanis. **Why don’t you ask Zardari? Why was he parachuted into power? To serve the interests of the US.
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See the problem with people like you is you think Pakistan is the greatest Islamic State on the Planet. Pakistan is the Vanguard of Islamic Causes and Pakistan is infallable. And thus you act preplexed when extremist Islamic elements like TTP attack Pakistan and you must concont a conspiracy theory to blame others for problems totally created in Pakistan.
**I don’t think that Pakistan is the greatest Islamic state and to be honest I don’t want it to become a great Islamic state. I want it to become a great humanic state.
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The simple fact is this:
Pakistan created the Taliban in 1992 to take over Afghanistan and stabilize the Western Border which had been wracked with war for over 12 years. But Pakistan lost control over the Taliban and the Taliban started harboring foreign terrorists who then planned and executed global terrorist attacks like 9/11. US attacked Afghanistan and the Taliban were driven out of Afghanistan and into Pakistan’s Tribal Areas.
**Pakistan alone did not create the Taleban and it had support from other nations. If the Taleban had did what the US wanted of it then Taleban would not have been a problem.

**Pakistan send its military into the Tribal Areas in May 2004 and the Tribals started fighting the Pakistani Army. In 2007, the Tribals created the umbrella group called the Pakistani Taliban to fight what they called a non-Islamic Government in Pakistan and bring Sharia Law into Pakistan. They started a major terrorist campaign.ac
The wanted a reaction so it pushed Pakistan to action so that it could use it to get the reaction. If they were as Islamic as you are stating then fighting the US in Afghanistan would have been the obvious choice.
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So Pakistan created this Frankeinstein monster and now has lost control over it. Instead of accepting blame and doing some soul searching to ractify the problem, the easy and cowardly way is to blame others for the problem that has been clearly Pakistan’s in the making. I am all for eliminating TTP and think that ISI should do more to eliminate them.

**And not a single country on the planet is buying this absurd nonsense that US and others are supporting the Pakistani Taliban. This theory is so stupid that not once has Pakistan brought it up in any foreign meeting because they know they will get laughed off the stage. **Whether the theory is true or false is not judged by whether others agree or disagree with you.
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Overall, you have failed totally and utterly to make your case that Foreigners are supporting the TTP. Your evidence is laughable and your logic is ridiculous. **And you have still failed to prove me wrong.
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Thank you for this entertaining discussion.

Thank you too.