Pakistani missiles are all North Korean missiles painted in Green.

Pakistani missiles are all North Korean missiles painted in Green, to give a Islamic flavor and named after Islamic conquerers who invaded India.Why do so many Pakistanis dont believe this?

By Alex Copulsky

Very few Pakistanis realize that the missiles paraded through the streets of Pakistan were actually designed in North Korea and based on Russian models. The rest of the international community, however, is fully aware. For much of the past half-century, North Korea has been producing ballistic missiles for export to a wide range of buyers, a situation that ended in October 2006 when a North Korean nuclear test finally prompted the UN to levy an arms embargo, which forbade North Korea from buying or selling arms. These embargoes merit a closer look at North Korea’s export trade, which reveals strong economic motivations often masked by Kim Jong-Il’s struggle for geopolitical survival.

A Tale of Two Weapons Systems

North Korea’s state-run economy produces almost nothing of export value, with one exception: armaments. They first started selling arms back in the 1960s, knockoffs of Chinese knockoffs of Russian guns. North Korean arms soon acquired a reputation as cheap and reliable, and by the mid-1980s, North Korea was doing half of their export trade in conventional arms. Eventually, even cheaper producers in other underdeveloped countries forced the Koreans off the market. But by then, they had found an even better sale: ballistic missiles.

North Korea first acquired the designs for Scud series artillery missiles around 1983, and by 1987 it was producing export-quality versions. Gary Samore, former Director for Non-Proliferation of the National Security Council, told HPR that “the Iran-Iraq War was North Korea’s first big break into the market”. North Korea sold huge numbers of Scuds to Iran to use against Iraq’s Russian Scuds, and then started producing its biggest missile success to date, the Nodong.

"Nodongs were cheap, reliable, and low-tech; a “clear scale-up of Scud ideas,” said Samore. It is a medium-range missile with a range of 1000-1300 km that initially sold lucratively to Iran and Syria. After the North Koreans found out about the Pakistani nuclear program, and saw the potential for synergy, the missile was sold to the Pakistanis for nuclear designs and information, and is currently the only credible missile threat in Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.

Economic Crunch

North Korea is emphatically not a Soviet-style arms exporter, trying to buy less powerful nations’ hearts with dump-priced guns. Kim Jong-Il’s government takes American dollars for their guns, and in fact demands them. This should be a clear sign that, as Samore told HPR, with the exception of the Pakistan deal, “North Korea’s motivations in missile sales are wholly and completely economic”. And even in the case of Pakistan, North Korea used arms to buy technology that its meager cash supply almost certainly couldn’t afford.

As has been the case for many Stalinistic economies, North Korea is afflicted by both low exports and high imports, especially of Chinese grain. As a result, North Korea runs huge current-account deficits (currently around $1 billion, with $2.5 billion/year of imports), and simply cannot provide necessary foreign exchange. Arms sales were one of the ways that North Koreans got the dollars with which to buy the grain and machinery needed to feed their citizens. At the height of its arms sales, in 2001, North Korea brought in roughly $600 million in missile sales to the Middle East alone.

A Changing International Environment

Since then, the market has turned against North Korea. First of all, the United States has applied intense diplomatic pressure against its allies to give up North Korean arms, closing both Saudi and Egyptian markets (among others). In addition, the same process that forced North Korea out of conventional arms has taken hold once more; Iranian and Syrian copies of Chinese missiles have proven cheaper than North Korean copies of Russian models. As a result, export sales had become negligible even before the arms embargo of 2006. North Korean efforts to provide hard currency have recently turned to drug dealing and counterfeiting, which, unfortunately, stand as a last defense against starvation for many of North Korea’s citizens.

http://hprsite.squarespace.com/death-of-a-salesman-042007/

The arms export issue reveals that in the “Hermit Kingdom,” no issue can be solved in isolation. Political and economic motives are entangled so deeply that they reach the roots of the state itself. However, recent developments may reflect a growing awareness of that fact. The international community has begun to move away from strictly punitive measures like arms sanctions and toward towards carrot-and-stick deals like the nuclear bargain of February 2007. This is a move that should be toasted by all, North Koreans and outsiders alike.

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Why are you assuming that Pakistani's aren't aware of this already? I think almost everyone on this forum is pretty much aware that most pakistani missiles are derived from North Korean variants of Russian missiles. Just like we accept that Pakistan's domestically-produced tanks and planes are variants of Chinese designs

It's a smarter way of missile design better suited to Pakistan's limited financial resources. Rather than design from the ground-up, take an existing design and just modify it with technology that Pakistan has access to.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you design a missile entirely in-country or if you slightly modify another country's existing design. Stick a 20 kiloton nuclear warhead on top and both missiles will easily take out a couple million Indians.

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Where does India get its designs from? Russia I suppose..
What does it matter?!?! So long as they do what they are supposed to do, it fine no matter where the bomb comes from.

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just shut up! Every missile or nuclear technology has some sort of origional sourc and then there is customization and improvements. what is amazing is that the improved and customized version developed by Pakistanis is worrying Indians a lot. My suggestion you concentrate on that imported Russian versions and try to improve upon them and stop killing your pilots on those imported MIG 27 AND 29’s. If you dont know how to fly them import the pilots too.

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Ok, I agree with you as soon as you believe Indian missiles are all Russian scuds painted in orange and named after Hindu rulers of India who lost to Muslims.

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:omg:

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Germans were the original pioneers of Missile Technology

USA grabbed them after WWII and they build US Missiles

Soviet Spies got designs from USA and Soviet build their missiles.

USA shared technology with France and UK and they got their missiles

Soviet Union shared technology with China, North Kore and India and they got their missiles.

China and North Korea shares technology with Pakistan and Pakistan gets its missiles.

So every missile design is copied from the Germans

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Kim Jong-Il is Taliban painted in Red :chai:

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Oh oh, I wonder which North Korean cruise missile the Babur cruise missile is based on?

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We name one with a prophet name and put it across the border, would that not kill a few million muslim pakistanies.:D. Why are you jumping up and down, the article wasnt written by an Indian.

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No it was written by a Communist :smiley:

*The Basement Communist Society *

Members
The Basement Communist society is a small group, but our actions influenced the entire campus. Here are all 10 of the members, seperated by time of induction.

The original Six

Kenneth Nwanunu-Current Chair
Jeff Christensen-Head of KGB
Alex Copulsky-Politburo
David Lapayowker-Head of Technology and Propaganda
Frank Fan (“Tuscon Larry”)-Village Idiot
Alex Imas-Officer in the Red Army

The Basement Communist Society

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^ really hard to believe, if he is communist then why would he pick on a fellow communist state. The source says Harvard political view with the emblem of Harvard on it.
On the contrary they are completely anti-communist and their basement communist society looks like a parody and making fun of the communist movement.

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I don't know. He's your Pakistani missile bashing friend. You should know him better.

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Look who is talking :smiley:

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/countries/india/india-missile-helpers.html

India: Missile Helpers

The Risk Report
Volume 1 Number 1 (January-February 1995) Page 8

India did not build its missiles alone. The world’s leading rocket producers gave essential help in research, development and manufacture.

France
Licensed production of sounding rockets in India
Supplied the liquid-fuel Viking rocket engine, now the “Vikas” engine of the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) second stage
Tested Indian-produced Vikas engine in France

Germany
Delivered measurement and calibration equipment to ISRO (Indian Space Research Organization) laboratories
Trained Indians in high-altitude tests of rocket motors and in glass and carbon fiber composites for rocket engine housings, nozzles and nose cones
Designed high-altitude rocket test facilities
Conducted wind tunnel tests for Satellite Launch Vehicle - SLV-3 rocket
Developed radio frequency interferometer for rocket guidance
Developed computers for rocket payload guidance based on U.S. microprocessor
Supplied documentation for a filament-winding machine to make rocket engine nozzles and housings
Helped build Vikas rocket engine test facilities
Designed hypersonic wind tunnel and heat transfer facilities
Supplied rocket motor segment rings for PSLV

Russia
Supplied surface-to-air missiles which became the models for the Prithvi missile and the second stage of the Agni medium-range missile
Sold seven cryogenic rocket engines

United Kingdom
Supplied components for Imarat Research Center, home to the Agni missile
Supplied magnetrons for radar guidance and detonation systems to Defense Research and Development Laboratory

United States
Launched U.S.-built rockets from Thumba test range
Trained Dr. Abdul Kalam, designer of the Agni
Introduced India to the Scout rocket, the model for the Satellite Launch Vehicle - SLV-3 rocket and the Agni first stage
Sent technical reports on the Scout rocket to Homi Bhabha, the head of the Indian Atomic Energy Commission
Sold equipment that can simulate vibrations on a warhead

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And

India’s Missiles - With a Little Help from Our Friends

http://www.wisconsinproject.org/pubs/articles/1989/indiasmissiles-dodging.htm

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Wherever these missiles are made, they are made only for destruction. Just cant imagine how much time will you guys take to undertand this thing.

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I dont know what training one can get in four months in NASA.

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India Test-Fires Nuclear-Capable Missile AGNI-III

India test-fired a new missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads across much of Asia and the Middle East, a state government official said Thursday (12-04-07).

An earlier test-firing of the Agni III missile had failed when it plunged into the Bay of Bengal short of its target in July last year. There was no immediate comment whether the current test was successful.

The missile was launched from Wheeler Island off the eastern state of Orissa, the state government official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

India’s current crop of missiles has been largely intended to confront neighboring archrival Pakistan. The Agni III, in contrast, is India’s longest-range missile, designed to reach 1,900 miles _ putting China’s major cities well into range, as well as targets deep in the Middle East.

It also is said to be capable of carrying up to a 300-kiloton nuclear warhead.

India’s missile program, together with its nuclear program and drive for a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, is part of its ongoing efforts to establish itself as a world power.

India’s homegrown missile arsenal already includes the short-range Prithvi ballistic missile, the medium-range Akash, the anti-tank Nag and the supersonic Brahmos missile, developed jointly with Russia.

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Last time we were failed this time we r successful, i think that is enough to prove Indian scientists don’t paint others’ missiles with Tiranga :phati:

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oye, link dikha.:)

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^ sidha Video dekho aur oye na bolo :vivo: