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let me have my own fun? I would… with the president, miss nia 
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They normally say "grow a funny bone" for people who don't get jokes, so for you I guess I'll say "grow sarcasm bone" :D
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I think all the countries went through this transition where women started to work years ago. But few pakistani men got disgusting dirty minds.
mulz- with that type of thinking i would create a island for people like yourself and make sure you folks wont leave from there.. this would be under nia's government . - There is no point of discussing more with this mentality simply throw you folks on the island and let you have your own fun
captaan ji didnt expect that from you folks. whats surprising you guys would still do it even if you see a total jalbabaan...
Agree! Pointing fingers at each other doesn't solve any kind of problems. ANything bad happens with women in pak, men come out and make a issue of pardah and non-pardah crap.
I think if in Islam women is asked to do "pardah" then equally men are advised to lower their gaze to when they go outside and see woman around. But alas, men can't control themselves right? They have actually every single right to abuse women and still walk freely out in a society with a flag holding of men power...pathetic!
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nia you have my vote..so tell me when exactly will you be forming a govt in pakistan...we need your type of leadership...under your govt i bet men will stay home for fear of losing their thingy.
mulz you are full of bull*...that girl was going to school for crying out loud...now dont tell me you want all the pakistani girls to stay home and not attend school...why cant you admit that what happened to her was shameful and instead of blaming the sick guy you are putting the blame on the poor girl...no wonder i said you are full of *.
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^ Arrey yaar tu tay naraaz ho gaya.. so much anger for me! Arrey yaar, I am not that Islamist.. plus I never blamed the poor girl.. she has my sympathies..
I have fought with guys over girls' izzat-abroo before yaar... infact if the sick guy some before me, I will might give him harshest punishment one can think of.. I was saying that we need some conservatism in our sick society given all this sexual frustation of guys.. unfortunately there's no protection for our girls.. it is better they stay at home like Islamic countries(Iran, Arabia etc.)- atleast that'll avoid such problems. See, we can't fix our society overnigt and become a moderate modern muslim state but unfortunately seems we are nowhere and sad for our sisters and mothers... cuz of these sick bstrds and our namard police they are unprotected...
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musk, why are you selectively bringing back these old topics? Start a new one about 'Pakistani Justice', and we might have a good discussion on different 'justice systems' prevailing in the world and how ordinary women in different countries are affected by them.
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Uth rey muslim, yeh hai teri halat.
With things like these happening under our very eyes, I would not be surprised if Allah replaced us with an Ummah that actually follows him because we have failed him.
May Allah grant justice to the poor woman and her savior. Ameen.
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She’s not going to be returned to the brothel owner - adultery is sadly (depending on your point of view) a prosecutable offence in Pakistan. Just like in many other countries. Mukhtara Mai is an ongoing case.
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He's probably some short squat Indian or Banga too afraid to admit it.
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I think if in Islam women is asked to do "pardah" then equally men are advised to lower their gaze to when they go outside and see woman around. But alas, men can't control themselves right? They have actually every single right to abuse women and still walk freely out in a society with a flag holding of men power...pathetic!
yeah, I agree, it works for both.
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Yes, adultery is and should be punisheable.. however Pakistan govt should also make a distinction between adultery and RAPE, which the government currently does not.
When it comes to rape victims and justice, Pakistan has a really bad record and if u cant’ believe that, then i’m sorry ur really naive. :no:
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I’ve heard this before and it’s wrong what you say. The foreign media just brainwash people like yourself. Pakistani law does distinguish between adultery and rape in its current form. I have the proof here. This is a direct quotation from the law of Pakistan.
The Hudood Ordinace itself, defines Zina-bil-raza as
“A man and a woman are said to commit ‘Zina’ if they wilfully have sexual intercourse without being validly married to each other.”
and Zina-bil-jabar is defined as
"(1) A person is said to commit zina-bil-jabrif he or she has sexual inter-course with a woman or man, as the case may be, to whom he or she is not validly married, in any of the following circumstances, namely:- (a) against the will of the victim;
(b) without the consent of the victim;
© with the consent of the victim, when the consent has been obtained by putting the victim in fear of death or of hurt; or
(d) with the consent of the victim , when the offender knows that the offender is not validly married to the victim and that the consent is given because the victim believes that the offender is another person to who the victim is or believes herself or himself to be validly married."
One clearly is adultery, the other is rape clearly.
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I kind of agree with you on rape victims and justice. They should all be hanged, those who prove beyond a doubt they raped someone. But it's getting the proof which is difficult. I dont think Pakistan is different in this respect from other countries. If you prove that someone was raped by Mr X, then Mr X must be punished. This is how the Pakistani system operates at the moment. (I'm all for repellation of the Hudood Laws btw).
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It's not even the law , but even in homes: parents who won't care if their daughter gets molested or raped, that she deserved it, she was asking for it (doesnt matter shes only 9-12 years old!) or is being put up to it for money !!!
Maybe hte law DOES differentiate between rape and zinna (which i'm still skeptical of but for sake of argument) but the people do/will not..for most ppl rape=sex..
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Hi Sara.
Your anger is well-received on this story which you selected and posted here.
But, it should not be called "Pakistani Justice".
It ought to be named as "lack of justice in Pakistan".
As citizen women of our country - as Muslim women, seeing that this happens with women in an Islamic State is a shameful thing in itself – perhaps. More shameful than the rape or zina. And the responsibility of this mess falls on the whole society.
Women are never safe, when they are child-bearing young age and as single or in a work environment in which they themselves or they are made to, literally cash on their selves.
I do not condone the victim-blaming mentality, even more than the lack of justice in Pakistan. When it is said, women are immoral and loose anyway. They should not walk the streets of their own country or else.... someone will humiliate them.
It is all men and the women in the society, who sustain this immoral acceptance of lack of justice and also an unspoken expectation from the sex industry workers to eternally remain in there.
Ethically, it is has many negatives. The other outcome is, a sex-worker becoming able to leave that unpleasant humiliating living and environment and joins the civilians. Problem with that is, either way they will be alone. Speaking to a sex worker, is not easy. Somewhere in their hearts they do carry the burden of being shameful of how they made money for them selves or for others.
Justice for sex workers contains a mental and social health issue of a larger scale. So its legality cannot be simply lumped on the nation-state in where it occurs with its negatives aspects.
What i am trying to say is that this problem of lack of justice, as this instance being its example, calls for the root-cause analysis, so that those who insidiously want the injustice to go on could be given a face and then a face-lift by bringing such people to justice.
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Maybe hte law DOES differentiate between rape and zinna (which i'm still skeptical of but for sake of argument) but the people do/will not..for most ppl rape=sex..
If you're referring to mentality, I think you'll find the average Pakistani family in Pakistan thinks no differently to how you think, or how many people in the world feel when it comes to family. You will get the odd idiot on internet forums (who is probably not Pakistani, "but doings his fresieee accent like tis yaaar") saying garbage, and you'll read one case out of millions of people, but it's not the normal way of thinking.
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^ NOt really, i'm talkin abt in real life..incidents my close freinds (who were born/raised in pak) related to me..
And yes the average family/person does think differently about rape than I or others would simply coz of the culture and mentality
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That's your opinion then, and it's wrong.
Every child in a Pakistani family has a mother and a father. Mothers and fathers would never want their child to be subjected to a rape generally. The thinking is the same across all cultures, because all parents have the same natural instinct wherever in the world they are.
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^ I said they think differently, not WANT their kid to be obviously.. no parent in their right mind does.. but there are those who are so blinded by certain things that they do not care what happens to their kids and who does it to them.. and even if they are angry abt it , there is still the idea that its still HER fault and shes the one whos to suffer not the one who did it
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This makes no sense.
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no parent in their right mind does.. but there are those who are so blinded by certain things that they do not care what happens to their kids and who does it to them..
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This can be said of some families anywhere in the world.
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and even if they are angry abt it , there is still the idea that its still HER fault and shes the one whos to suffer not the one who did it
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There are some people in the Muslim world who say that it is the girls fault and men have no control. You know what, these are all the pious men, ones who I bet you, as a pious woman, would be supportive of.
I think that men should control themselves. But it is part of a woman's obligation in Islam to dress modestly (I dont mean this necessarily means wear Hijab). This is probably why some people say it is the woman's fault. I know that the majority of parents in Pakistan would think that raping a woman is unacceptable under any circumstances, woman's fault ot not, because this is what Islam teaches - even the uneducated ones will say this.