Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
Just FYI, Mullah Zaeef (correct name?, I think he was the information minister) was caught in NWFP and handed over to US, I don’t know why you claim that Mullah Omar had no support in NWFP.
Do you have a news link? Read 9th paragraph here, this article was published in 2004, way after Taliban were gone.
They did public hanging/execution of rebels and probably informants, I believe, but not of ‘oh you have nail polish on, you must die’ type of ‘crimes’. I don’t know what YOU are talking about.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
Ok so, why then did they close already existing girls schools? It is well known fact that there were exisiting girls school in Afghanistan before the Taliban, why were girls not allowed to study there?
Lets forget the foolishness of depriving millions of girls of education bacause of some ill understood (lets face it, the Taliban are not scholors so their interprtation of Islam is questionable) Islamic tenant…
There have also been cases of women who were persecuted and either forced to leave the country or put in prison for opening girls schools within their own homes… Why did they punish women who seeked education, even those within the precepts of Islam?
The Taliban may have thought they were following Islamic edicts, but Islam requires logic.. .Its illogical to deny millions education because there arent funds for womens schools with women teachers, or deny women health care because there arent enough female doctors…
And your right, the Taliban brought what the other regimes didnt, some kind of stability… But this stability is not much better then the chaos brought by the others. The Human rights violations under the guise of Islamic piety, whatever that means, is what the Taliban will be reviled for forever.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
This is the reality of the “TALIBan”
""The facts have been documented extensively by numerous independent human rights organisations that have witnessed the impact of the Taliban directly and undertaken meticulous grassroots research. It is worth quoting copiously from a survey conducted by the Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) to comprehend the scale of the crisis, utilising direct interviews with Afghan citizens and investigations on the ground. PHR reports that “One of the first edicts issued by the regime when it rose to power was to prohibit girls and women from attending school. Humanitarian groups initiated projects to replace through philanthropy what prior governments had afforded as a right to both sexes… On June 16, 1998, the Taliban ordered the closing of more than 100 privately funded schools where thousands of young women and girls were receiving training in skills that would have helped them support their families. The Taliban issued new rules for nongovernmental organizations providing the schooling: education must be limited to girls up to the age of eight, and restricted to the Qur’an… PHR’s researcher when visiting Kabul in 1998, saw a city of beggars - women who had once been teachers and nurses now moving in the streets like ghosts… selling every possession and begging so as to feed their children.” The Taliban has thus “deliberately created such poverty by arbitrarily depriving half the population under its control of jobs, schooling, mobility, and health care. Such restrictions are literally life threatening to women and to their children. The Taliban’s abuses are by no means limited to women. Thousands of men have been taken prisoner, arbitrarily detained, tortured, and many killed and disappeared. Men are beaten and jailed for wearing beards of insufficient length (that of a clenched fist beneath the chin), are subjected to cruel and degrading conditions in jail… Men are also vulnerable to extortion, arrest, gang rape, and abuse in detention because of their ethnicity or presumed political views.”[15]
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
I never said he didnt have support. I said he has never been to Pakistan and will not be comfortable living there in the first place. He is probably in Southern Afghanistan which has been ungovernered.
Read that. The Pakistani team not only had their heads shaved but were also beaten.
They not only executed rebels but anyone who challenged their draconian version of Islam. They killed women, they beat boys for getting western style hair, etc…
They were among the most barbaric and backward people on the planet
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
PP1 thanks for the information but I am sorry to say the same old crap.
No body on earth can support Talibans policy towards women. They stop some of the female education conducted in the houses because all the text books were in Dari (Farsi) which they could hardly understand or because they didnt like Dari. Anyway I dont defend their education policy.
As far as PHR research is concern, you can well understand the validity of this report from:
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PHR’s researcher when visiting Kabul in 1998, saw a city of beggars - women who had once been teachers and nurses now moving in the streets like ghosts… selling every possession and begging so as to feed their children.”
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Women were only allowed in 'Burqä' and alongwith a male member of her family then how did they recognize those ladies as teachers and nurses sometime back.
I have read many such reports which are totally biased.
Just imagine the status of women in Kabul. 90% population of Kabul is Dari speaking. Their women used to roam around in skirts, clubs were open for them and prostitution was rampant. You must have heard the word "Gilamjam" the same dari speaking women who have polluted the entire Islamabad, Hayatabad (Pekhawar) and many other parts of the world.
Taliban couldnt tolerate this all stuff in Afghanistan under their control and you understand why western media was so bitter while talking about Taliban. So much so that I read somewhere that Talibans were involved in raping women.
Talibans had their drawbacks but the way these drawbacks are inflated by western media is always questionable. I also agree that Taliban had their own interpretation of Islam and thats the reason they carried out those radical steps in the name of Islam.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
What is your source of claim that he never left Afghanistan and wouldn’t be comfortable living here? For all I know there are hundreds of thousands Afghanis/Pashtuns from Afghanistan living in Pakistan VERY VERY comfortably.
Sorry but I couldn’t find anything about Pakistani players being beaten on this link.
I don’t say Taliban were angels, just thought to make it clear. BTW, did they kill women just because they wanted to kill someone or was there any reason associated with it? You are saying as if they enjoyed doing it.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
Its hopless yaar… Your devotion to the Taliban is remarkable… There are thousands of credible reports on the stupid cruelty of the Taliban, there are thousands of eye witnesses to their corruption, and yet you and your fellow suuporters can only counter with the same old tired line of “they are bias!”
FYI, with all do respect, the Women of Kabul havent worn skirts since the time of Zahir Shah, and even then it was limited only to Kabul… Most of those women have either fled or been killed… Those that replaced them were poor illiterate women from the coutryside, displaced by the fighting.
And Prostitution didnt dissapear with the coming of Taliban… Im not concerned with whether the Taliban raped women or not, thats not the point… The fact is that because the Taliban forced women out of work and school, many women were forced to take up prostitution to support their families. Others resorted to begging on the streets… These were educated and respectable women who due to the circumstances under the draconian Taliban law had to take up such things.
The Talibans interpretation of Islam is dubious… When was the last time you say madrasa students really being taught the essence of Islam… The Taliban were and are a product of a Madrassa system that forces memorization without thinking or understanding… The Taliban simply took their understanding of Islam and mixed it with their own tradition and beliefs and came up with the system they had.
You can appreciate their effort, but lets be brave enough to denounce whats obviously wrong… Just because they say they are good Muslims and say they are following Islam, doesnt mean we have to be blind to their folleys… They were nothing more then a mockery of Islam. The Prophet must be shaking his head in disbelief at these people.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
^^Has anything changed? Women are still begging on the street, the same vices still occuring. I think this is an Afghani problem not associated to a regime. It's a product of poverty.
I'll make it clear I'm anything but in favour of the Taliban. They were illiterate people, brutal as a matter, and a terrible form of governance. But who else was there instead of them? The post-Soviet Mujahideen and non Mujahideen factions were worse animals than the Taliban, who massacred the people of Kabul, and massacred their opposing factions, and sometimes massacred their own factions! Taliban were a unifying force, and there was undoubtedly some propaganda against them. My opinion is that hosting Lin Baden was their fateful step..in fact it was the Northern Alliance that ironically brought him over to Afghanistan from Sudan.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
IF you look at afganistans history, you'll see that afghanistan has always propsered and remained in peace when pashtuns(who are majoirty in afghanistan) have ruled the country. Now what all these farsiwwans want you is to make you label all pashtuns who want part in afghanistans government as taliban. Why do the native dari speakers oppse pashtun rule so much? Why does the current afghanistan government support massacres in souther afghanistan, and label these people as babrabric people? they do not realize that pashtun governments have always propsered in Afghanistan, while those governments dominanted by dari speakers have eventually ended up failing.