Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
I don't believe a word of what any Afghan says. They are one of the most dishonest and opportunitic people in the world and have always back-stabbed Pakistan in our hour of need. On all the UN resolutions on Kashmir they sided with India.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
Why would I expect it to be not ridiculous? :)
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The reason I doubt the authenticity of the Taliban video is because Mullah Omar has never visited Pakistan **nor does he have any allies in Pakistan. **Southern Afghanistan is completely un-goverened and he could be hiding there.
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Ah, so Taliban never had any base/support group in Pakistan and ISI never helped/trained them?
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As for the Taliban beating up women.
The Pakistani Male soccer team got beaten up because they played with Shorts when they went to Afghanistan.
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Incorrect, they were probably shaven, but not beaten up. You believed that a Taliban saw a person with camera then he picked up the stick and started to beat women in public? I'm sure Fox community is waiting for you with garlands.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
that is very believable, after all some Iraqi informants leaked Iraq's WMDs information as well.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
yep but these are people I know personally and trust who have no reason of lying and atleast one gentleman was not a critic but a bandwagon taleban fan for their activities and islamization. I dont hear much from him anymore :)
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
generally the pushtuns are allied with pakistan, daris are anywhere but pakistan
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
I totally agree and would like to add that I have never seen anybody anywhere in the world more ungrateful, untrustworthy and unthankful than the present Karzai government. They have been eating from pakistani plates for the last 20 years and have the nerve to spit in them too. Is this true about the Afghans in general? I hope not
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But he has never left Afghanistan and doesnt know anyone in Pakistan.
No they were beaten up.
As for the Taliban, they taped public executions, so what are you talking about.
Taliban was a pathetic stain on Islam and I am glad that they are gone from Afghanistan and Pakistan needs to finish these people off in Pakistan
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Sometime I am really surprised to see the comments of some of our respectable members.
I dont want to comment on the recent video for some obvious reasons.
However about Taliban beating a woman is simply ridiculous.
I have read the book "Sewing Circles of Herat" by Christina Lamp (sorry for spelling). This is no doubt an anti-Taliban book and quite biased (against Taliban), through the book she has projected and accentuated the negatives of Taliban and ignored all their positives. But I dont remember she mentioned anywhere, where Taliban have ever beaten women. They have strictly stopped women from education and they have given reasons for that. They have stopped the teaching of Dari in the schools and thats how Dari Speaking Afghans are so much against Taliban.
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Its shocking how you so easily you ignore Taliban cruelty! I mean how in gods name can you not believe your own eyes! We have all seen them executing women in public, beating them, and have countless testimonials from Afghans themselves who had first hand experience.
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What pray tell was their reason not alloying women to attend school? Let me guess, there werent enough teachers?
Its very hard to find anything positive about the Taliban… Outside of the fact that they brought their brand of justice and thus their brand of peace, what good did they do? I mean peace is one thing, but then peace at the cost of freedom, it doesnt sound worth it…
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
All those who have some knowledge about Taliban’s arrival, will bear me out that Taliban were never created by Pakistan or somebody else.
Mullah Omar was simply a religious teacher when he fought against the Governor of Qandahar (Ismael Khan, probably) due to his unrelented atrocities. When the people saw that Taliban are the most suitable replacement of then cruel Northern Alliance Government, they welcomed Taliban everywhere. What I remember Taliban fought only in few places like Herat, Panjsher and other northern areas but in most of the areas including Kabul, they conquered without fighting a bullet.
When they enforced complete peace in the areas under their jurisdiction, only then Pakistan started supporting Taliban being a better and a suitable alternative and moreover, they all were Pukhtuns.
Talibans had some negatives as well, like banning the women from jobs and education, destroying that Statue, giving protection to OBL in deference to their Pukhtunwali. But overall they brought complete peace in Afghanistan which was so deadly required in war-waged Afghanistan.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
The reason for banning girls from the school was not only the lack of teachers but according to the true Islamic teaching boys and girls cant study together. Since boys were more in schools therefore they decided to restrict all schools to the boys first and when they will have funds they will open new schools for girls as well. It is an open fact and even the enemies of Taliban know it.
About the freedom vs peace, please analyze the situation in Afghanistan, what do you think, now you have freedom in Afghanistan? or you had freedom in Afghanistan after Sour Revolution? or they had freedom during Russian occupation? or they achieved that freedom during Rabbani's government?
The answer is big no. After Russian withdrawal, the entire Afghanistan was in dilapidated state, there was no structure, no peace, no roads, no law nothing in that country. The first thing they needed and that stand good even for today, is peace, if there is peace in Afghanistan, rest of the problems can be solved easily. Afghanistan is a country of resources in term of minerals, fruits and more due to its strategic location, but the only thing they lack is peace. Moreover, Talibans were always welcomed by the people and which implies that people were happy under Taliban.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
That's a correct summary. The Taliban's creation is incorrectly associated with Pakistan sometimes. It was formed in Kandahar, I think the incident was when a group of girls were kidnapped they were some vigilante "Guardian Angels" that found them and returned them. The group grew from there and it did have support of the population because security was the most important thing on the mind's of people having been in a war ravaged country for so long. Pakistan supported them at a later date when they needed to get safe passage for convoys into Central Asia. The Afghani traffic mafia were in fact one of the major supporters of the Taliban, but they were just illiterat people that self destructed themselves.
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That is the biggest load of Bull Crap I have ever heard on Gupshup
The Taliban were xenophobic people and among the most stupidest Muslims on the planet. They didnt educate their women not because they didnt have schools but they didn't want to because it fit their male dominated version of Islam.
And pray tell me when they got funds how many school for girls did they open?
The only reason Afghanistan is in a terrible bind today is because of the very people you hold in high regard, the Taliban Facist Nazis are continuing to attack Afghanistan. They bribe poor Afghans to go blow themselves up.
If you claim that the the Taliban have such support then why aren't people volunteering to blow themselves for the Taliban cause rather than being bribed and coerced into committing sucide bombings.
If the Taliban were always welcomed by the people than why were they so easily routed in 2001?
Look at Iraq, Shias welcomed the Americans but Sunnis didn't and you got the Sunni Insurgency.
Why don't we see a similar type of Insurgency in Afghanistan instead of the Taliban hiding in mountains and coming out at night like Roaches and then goind back to the mountains.
If they had so much support as you claim they did then why isnt there a bigger insurgency for the Taliban?
Why arent there street protests in Kabul to bring back the Taliban?
The Fact remains that Taliban were created by Pakistan to adminster Afghanistan but these Taliban mutated from a moderate government to an Islamic extremist government who banned the Internet, blew up Buddhist statues, forced men to grow beards, beat up women for not being accompanied by male relatives, etc...
No one on this planet would like to be treated the way the Taliban treated the Afghans.
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^^Taliban did have support of the people in 1996. It's well documented.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
Ya in 1996 when they were created by Pakistan they were moderate and sensible people.
But with the arrival of Arab Jihadists and Egyptian Islamic Brotherhood after the Luxor Massacare in 1997 they transformed the Taliban into an extremist Islamic government which most Afghans began to resent.
I said the taliban initially were welcomed by the people but by 1998 and 1999 they had turned extremist
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I think they were always pretty extremist & the Arabs were there from the days of the Soviets. It's possibly true though that they did become more extremer in time. That I'm not sure of. But they were welcomed for sure back when they took Kabul in 1996. The Taliban also were formed at Kandahar, but because they were a good fighting force, they were supported by Pakistan in the hope of stabilizing Afganistan. I believe that Pakistan intended to try and bring stability to Afghanistan, which the Taliban mostly did.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
taliban for all the bad things they did, did bring peace into Afghanistan, under the rule of pashtuns in afghanistan, opium procution had nearly been eliminated(right now Afghanistan's opium poruction is at an all time high). The thing that broight the axe tumbling down to there feet was there support osama bin-laden, whom they protected because of defending pashtunwali, but also the huge amounts of money he gave to them. Ill tell you right now, had they not supported al-qaeda, taliban would still be around right now. And the current reachof Afghanistan only really extends to Kabul, and maybe some other farsiwaan majoirty states.
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The Taliban were xenophobic people and among the most stupidest Muslims on the planet. They didnt educate their women not because they didnt have schools but they didn't want to because it fit their male dominated version of Islam.
And pray tell me when they got funds how many school for girls did they open?
Well, your comments are based on your own assumptions and therefore there cant be any justifiable answer to them.
Taliban had no funds therefore they didnt construct schools for girls rather as per their statistics (dont remember now) they had acute shortage of schools for boys as well.
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The only reason Afghanistan is in a terrible bind today is because of the very people you hold in high regard, the Taliban Facist Nazis are continuing to attack Afghanistan. They bribe poor Afghans to go blow themselves up.
If you claim that the the Taliban have such support then why aren't people volunteering to blow themselves for the Taliban cause rather than being bribed and coerced into committing sucide bombings.
If the Taliban were always welcomed by the people than why were they so easily routed in 2001?
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It seems you are somewhere in the west and have never been to Pakistan since long. Because I heard similar views from the people living in that part of the world, who dont understand the element of revenge, sacrifice for their generation etc.
Do you think, people blow themselves merely for money? Though I am strictly against the suicide attempts but if the people are ready to take that extreme step then there has to be some strong reasons for that.
If Afghans had some love or liking for Taliban that doesnt mean that all afghans should blow themselves for Talibans.
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Look at Iraq, Shias welcomed the Americans but Sunnis didn't and you got the Sunni Insurgency.
Why arent there street protests in Kabul to bring back the Taliban?
The Fact remains that Taliban were created by Pakistan to adminster Afghanistan but these Taliban mutated from a moderate government to an Islamic extremist government who banned the Internet, blew up Buddhist statues, forced men to grow beards, beat up women for not being accompanied by male relatives, etc...
No one on this planet would like to be treated the way the Taliban treated the Afghans
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Despite their best efforts and a having a strong and unified command Taliban’s failure to get control of Kabul is an eloquent testimony that Pakistan have no hands in Talibans resurgence. When Pakistan supported Afghans, they ousted then Superpower USSR.
For successful insurgency you always need support from outside and Taliban have no such support that's why they couldnt get any worthwhile success.
Re: Pakistani ISI is protecting Taliban leader Mullah Omar
Karzai gets his marching orders from India so no wonder every opportunity he has got he has criticized Pakistan
Yes you are right.