You are very presumptuous... You Indians certainly do presume far to much.
You assume that a person who were to raise an Indian flag in Pakistan would have what happen to them? And what are you basing your assumption on? We in Pakistan havent had riots on the scale of yours in India, so why assume that Pakistanis would react in such a way? You simply generalize based on far to little.
What do you really know of Pakistanis? Or do you simply bulk them into a single group, and project all kinds of qualities on them based solely on your understanding of the Indian psyche...
And dont take this as lambasting democracy in general, after all, Pakistan is also a democracy. Its a criticism of the Indian system, and indirectly, the India system of democracy, and thats what the other person was referring to.. The Gujrat riots were a stain on Indians, as were all the rest of your riots over the years. But the point here is that despite what you say, the chief architect has gotten away scot free, the police who were negligent, have gotten away, and the thousands who are guilty of murder will also go free. It only exposes the flaw in Indian society and thus in Indian democracy. While you make laws that are pluralistic and fair, you dont apply them half as well.
While the system is meant to be representative, Muslims are still vastly under represented, and still beholden to the whims of the majority. And the bottom line is wile u herald the greatness of the Indian system, you fail to take account of its many failings.
And no I dont think a Muslim could get away with raising a Pakistani flag in India. Judging from how your people have reacted in the past, I would assume such a person would be in big trouble.
A remote village in Assam, inhabited by Hindus or whatever they are is one thing,
lets see a Muslim raise a Pakistani flag in Delhi or Mumbai...
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You are very presumptuous... You Indians certainly do presume far to much.
You assume that a person who were to raise an Indian flag in Pakistan would have what happen to them? And what are you basing your assumption on? We in Pakistan havent had riots on the scale of yours in India, so why assume that Pakistanis would react in such a way? You simply generalize based on far to little.
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I m not presuming anything mere mohtaram bhai, the only thing I m asking is whether a hindu dominated locality see an Indian flag raised or crackers being busted while India is winning a match against Pakistan? We Indians have been seeing all this eversince the partition happened. These kind of actions of muslims have helped parties like Shiv Sena and BJP increase their base. They openly brand muslims as traitors. While hindus like myself (who are a majority) oppose them tooth and nail. And U can see the results.
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What do you really know of Pakistanis? Or do you simply bulk them into a single group, and project all kinds of qualities on them based solely on your understanding of the Indian psyche...
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Well we dont know much of Pakistanis, but we can claim that we know far far more about U as than U know about us. The reason is that we know at least about muslims and muslim psyche.
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And dont take this as lambasting democracy in general, after all, Pakistan is also a democracy. Its a criticism of the Indian system, and indirectly, the India system of democracy, and thats what the other person was referring to.. The Gujrat riots were a stain on Indians, as were all the rest of your riots over the years. But the point here is that despite what you say, the chief architect has gotten away scot free, the police who were negligent, have gotten away, and the thousands who are guilty of murder will also go free. It only exposes the flaw in Indian society and thus in Indian democracy. While you make laws that are pluralistic and fair, you dont apply them half as well.
While the system is meant to be representative, Muslims are still vastly under represented, and still beholden to the whims of the majority. And the bottom line is wile u herald the greatness of the Indian system, you fail to take account of its many failings
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I admit that Pakistan is also a democracy and not of Indian kind too. But being a democracy(Whatever like) Pakistan and Pakistanis have decieved the very cause on which Pakistan was formed, ie Islam. I dare U to differ with me if U have the guts. So dont talk too too much, it will only expose ur (Pakistan"s) hypocricy. U or other person are very less qualified to actually criticise Indian democracy.
I admit that Gujrat riots are stain on Indian democracy and hindus stoo. We have to live by it, but we can correct ourselves as human beings and good citizens. Are u ready to give that chance to us?
But same yardsticks by which killing of Gujrat muslims and other riots in India are measured, killing of muslims in battle of siffin and camel (which saw about 90,000 muslims massacred) is a stain on Islam and khilafat. Have guts to admit it? Or will U too take a hypocrite's stand?
Now tell me whether there have been riots in Pakistan or not? Shia-Sunni, Mohajir-Pathan, Quadiyani-Sunni, etc. Have ppls been killed in those bloody riots or not? How have U washed ur stains? Pl let us know. And think for a while that when ppls of same faith can kill each other in the name of religion, why cant this happen when ppls of two entirely opposite religions are living together?
And mind it, some ppls who participated in those riots are walking free, and some ppls have been awarded punishment too. Dont always talk about the empty part of the glass. Just see how there has not been any riot after 2002 in Gujrat even after so many temptations (repeated attack on temples ). Investigations in Gujrat riots is still on and we can hope of some good results coming.
How can U say muslims are unrepresented? Muslims are free to choose their leaders through ballot. And U can see that there is enough representation of muslims in all assemblies and parliament too. Pl give up ur ignorance.
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And no I dont think a Muslim could get away with raising a Pakistani flag in India. Judging from how your people have reacted in the past, I would assume such a person would be in big trouble.
A remote village in Assam, inhabited by Hindus or whatever they are is one thing,
lets see a Muslim raise a Pakistani flag in Delhi or Mumbai..
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Well U are right that a muslim cant get away raising a pakistani flag in a hindu dominated area. Those wicked idolators will take good care of him. But muslims too are clever enough to do this in the ghettos. Raise Pakistani flag, shout slogans, and burn crackers at appropriate times. And they are seldom in trouble doing this. This is mostly done in ghettos of Delhi and Mumbai itself. Come to India once to visit those places to get urself educated how bold those muslims are in these matters. I think some honourable Indian Muslim members on this forum will tell U all this happening.
Pl let me know which place Pakistani hindus do all this?
Peace.
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