Pakistani elite not ready to embrace India

Just people-to-people contact wont help for lasting peace

Pakistani elite not ready to embrace India: Haqqani

New Delhi: India and Pakistan may be talking peace but the ruling elite in Islamabad is not ready to strike genuine friendship with New Delhi, visiting scholar and former prime ministerial adviser Hussain Haqqani said Wednesday.

Haqqani, a Pakistani who resides in the US and whose book “Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military” has made waves, said the time had come for Pakistan to give up competing with India.

“What is needed to restore the knotty problem in India-Pakistan relations is political will,” Haqqani, attached to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washongton, told a gathering at the India International Centre here.

“That political will does not exist in the Pakistani military and intelligence,” he said, calling them an oligarchy.

The Pakistani rulers, he explained, were of the opinion that the peace process was meant to checkmate India.

He added: "Although it (elite) says normalisation in relations is needed with India, it has not made a paradigm shift…

"The core issue is: can Pakistani oligarchy sustain itself without some level of hostility vis-à-vis India?

“Pakistan needs a stable relationship with its largest neighbour for its own internal stability.”

Haqqani, visiting New Delhi as a guest of the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies, said the Pakistani establishment was treating the current peace process with India as a dance, not a marriage.

“A dance is not an engagement,” he said, underlining the need for genuine friendship between South Asia’s two most bitter neighbours who have been locked in an uneasy peace process since 2003.

At the same time, Haqqani said India needed to make it amply clear that it had no desire to undo the sub-continent’s 1947 division that gave birth to Pakistan and to pursue policies that strengthened the peace constituency in his country.

But Haqqani’s concentration was mainly on Pakistan, where he has served as an adviser to Pakistani prime ministers Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi, Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto. He was Pakistan’s envoy to Sri Lanka in 1992-93.

He said the Pakistani decision making elite remained “ideological” while the military was “conservative”.

Their three main pillars of their thinking, he said, was that Islam was the unifying factor in Pakistan, competition with India was a good rallying point, and that the US would compensate for Pakistan’s relative weakness.

But he warned: “The Pakistani elite should give up competing with India. It is not working, it cannot work.”

Haqqani, a former journalist, also found fault with New Delhi for trying to negotiate with Pakistani military rulers who lacked democratic sanctity and genuine popular support, be it the late Zia ul-Haq or the present President Pervez Musharraf.

The India-Pakistan relationship, he underlined, would change if only Pakistan’s political dynamics changed. “The internal dynamics of Pakistan has a larger impact on India-Pakistan ties than the internal dynamics of India.”

Haqqani emphasized that despite the growing visibility of Islamic political parties in Pakistan, there were fewer people in the country who wanted war with India.

“I don’t think there is a war constituency any more,” he said. “And the peace constituency in Pakistan is much larger than it is thought here.”

And he conceded that Pakistan, while seeking concessions from India, also had to keep in mind the sensitivities of its larger neighbour.

“Smaller countries also have to take into consideration and accept that there is a 800-pound guerrilla and learn to live with it.”

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Keep Indian media to yourself please. If we go by Indian media Mush staged sucide attacks on himself twice and there are plenty more jokes from jokers... You are welcome to post such Indian news in jokes fourm.

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The “Pakistani Elite” has spoken:rolleyes: ,

Yaar mo293 bhai, why do you look at anything coming out of the Indian Media as misleading or a Joke or just plain simple lies.

Honestly I didnt know much about Hussain Haqqani, but after reading this article I googled his name, seems he was advisor to 3 Prime Ministers and also the Ambassador to Sri Lanka.

Now are you disputing his views in the Indian Media, or are you also disputing his Views in the world media too.

Here is some info about him, after reading that I suggest you read his views in the world media too, and Yeah Ignore the Indian Media, they are just a bunch of Jokers:rolleyes:

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/about/staff/index.cfm?fa=expert_view&expert_id=154&prog=zgp&proj=zsa

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okay aejaz yaar..

pakistan bad..india good..

khush?

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Yeah and change the name of Pakistan Affairs to "Trolling against Pakistan" section. Jeez its so sick the kind of HATE they store inside them. It's all the state media and those thumkaa films which brainwashes 'em.

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Perhaps it is precisely because the Indian is misleading and a joke?

This article itself is a typical example of poor Indian journalistic standards (and I’m not claiming that Pakistani journalists are any more competent). The journalist makes no reference to the fact that Hussain Haqqani was stripped of power and influence by the very people he’s pointing fingers at - Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto both removed Haqqani from positions of power, whilst the Musharraf regime is keeping him out of power.

The Indian media is hiding from its readers information that would allow readers to consider that Haqqani has strong personal reasons to try and discredit Pakistan’s leadership and therefore must be taken with a pinch of salt.

I point you at an old article by one of Pakistan’s leading independent columnists, the Parsi journalist Ardeshir Cowasjee. Cowasjee names and shames Hussain Haqqani as being one of the greatest outright liars in Pakistani history.

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/990629.htm

And this is the man who the Indian media proudly quotes from.

This is why Indian media is not a reliable source of information. It selectively reports what is convenient for the biases of its editors, rather than report the
whole story and thus present the truth.

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It is good to let the hatred and contempt that our neighbours hold for us to be revealed publically. It serves as a reminder to us to avoid getting carried away in the peace process, and to show caution.

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Lussi Bhai, Where did I ever call Pakistan bad, in fact if you go thru all my posts, I have time and again stated that both our countries have the same set of problems, so I really fail to see the reason for your sarcasm in making me Khush!!

BollyBuster Bhai,

Trolling about Pakistan, HATE they store inside them,Thumka films which Brainwashes em, Bhai read my post and then read yours and than honestly tell me where do you see the hate coming from???

Mad Scientist Bhai,

What is your opinion about Mr Haqqanis views in the world media, are they a joke too, or its just the Indidn Media???

Bhai now if a Individual inspite of his selfish and vile nature of trying to discredit the Pakistani Leadership, gets selected as an advisor to 1 PM and 2 Presidents and also gets appointed as the Ambassador of the Country to another Country, Dont you think there is something very wrong with the Government Machinery, about him being fired number of times, mad Scientist Bhai, what compelled following Governments to keep on hiring him.

Indian Media Hiding information, Come on Bhai it was an Interview, and not his biography, have you ever seen an Interview where apart from the interview the Individuals Professional Graph is discussed???

I will concede to you, that I did not know much about Mr Haqqani, so i will take your word that he has his own vested intrests in discrediting the Pakistan Leadership, in that case dont you think that he should be critisized, and not the Indian Media for publishing his interview, this is the classic example of Shooting the Messenger for bearing the Bad News!!!.

In reference to Mr Cowasjee’s article who I greatly Admire and Respect, again I repeat if Mr Haqqani is so vile blame him why the Indian Media,

Again Mad Scientist Bhai, I really dont understand your harping about the Indian Media being Un Reliable, let me ask you a question, suppose you were interviewed by the Indian Media and they printed your Interview Verbatim, Would you call it fair reporting or Un Reliable Reporting???

Mad Scientist Bhai, those some pretty harsh words, Hatred, Contempt, just by reading this one post of yours, dont you think I can say the same exact thing about you, where as for you to say the same about me, you will first have to find a post so filled with venom by me.

It looks like there is a pre concieved notion here, that every thing and everybody Indian is Vile, unfortunate that, wish you folks could just take a moment and think about your statements, in my opinion you sound just like the “Pakistani Elite that Mr Haqqani is Talking about”

Ah but I forget he is just as vile as the Indians.

Aejaz

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OK I agree with lussi! No I agree with you no I agree with Indian media is very credible… Happy now.

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[try reading this is that Krishna Kumar accent]
Yes. Jee News is Awe-Su-MMMMMMM. They're beating BBC and CNN at their own game, didn't you know, no?

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first of all, what this guy says is probably true even if Zimbabwe's media published it. the reality is that it's not in their self interest to "embrace India".

but more importantly, who cares if the Pakistan elite is not ready to embrace India?

India is the party that needs to be pleased in this conflict for anything to happen, not Pakistan or its "elite".

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indian media proudly quotes from hussain haqqani because hussain haqqani's claims (pakistan: b/w miltary &mosque) islam was used to bring muslims of different beliefs/ethnicities (ahmadis, shias, sunnis, bengalis etc) together to form pakistan when it was obvious that the leaders such as Jinnah (who were not practicing muslims themselves) did not really want an islamic state but a secular one, but they HAD to mobilize muslims into supporting them for a separate state. It basically points to the rise of military and ties with fundamentalists and terrorists that was necessary to keep the country bound together despite major differences.

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i did not know that.

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Maddy,
Nobody will be allowed to continue in an establishment if he goes agianst the establishment. So even if it is reported in the news item that he was stripped of his duties, that only adds to his credentials that he has an open mind and impartial in his views and this would have lead to him being outstripped.
U r looking at it from the Pakistan point of view, and I look at it from indian point of view. In my mind, the pakistan military and civil govts didnt like his bold statement , and hence got him out from their mist. So the news item is credible to those who have a doubting mind of Pakistan military and civil establishment.

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Maddy,

By your logic, Musharraf too cannot be taken seriously because he has a vested interest in keeping status quo. Every reporter then must publish everyone's biography when quoting that person.

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It is good to let the hatred and contempt that our neighbours hold for us to be revealed publically. It serves as a reminder to us to avoid getting carried away in the peace process, and to show caution
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It is quite ironic to see this. I can link to a dozen threads in virtually every forum here by Pakistanis who denigrate anything Indian.


vinesh,

The fundamental thing is that the Pakistani elite cannot accept that India is a bigger nation and want to do anything to feel "parity."

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Look who’s talking, someone who spends all his time in PA trying to denigrate everything Pakistani.

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No head of state can ever be fully trusted, because we live in a world where all countries are run on Michiavellian principles.

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mAd_ScIeNtIsT, are you familiar with the democratic peace theory? What do you think about it?

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Oh…whatever..you guys dont want to embrace india because you’re elitist. bad guys! i’m going to the elite bharati forum to see indian elite. their elite spreads love. they always hug me. :clown:

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Indian Elite>:hug: <Vertigo, :smiley: