Pakistani conspiracy theories and US

Man, I love this article. Its depicting such a true picture of more than 90%Pakistanis’ mentality living in the country. I remember when I last visited there, from a cab driver to the executives working in a beautiful office, they all were trying to hold US responsible for every single problem in the country, whether its the suicide attacks or loadshedding.
I’m so unsure of when exactly will we change our “recreativity” and focus on the actual problems.

U.S. Is a Top Villain in Pakistan’s Conspiracy Talk

Rehan Khan/European Pressphoto Agency
Supporters of the Islamic political party Jamaat-e-Islami at a rally in Karachi, Pakistan, in February. Pakistani suspicion of the United States is fueled by political parties and media pundits.

By SABRINA TAVERNISE

Published: May 25, 2010

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Americans may think that the failed Times Square bomb was planted by a man named Faisal Shahzad. But the view in the Supreme Court Bar Association here in Pakistan’s capital is that the culprit was an American “think tank.”


[(Facebook Inc. - The New York Times) and audio CDs to make his points. But it is not the end of the conspiracy.
“Someone else will be front row very soon,” said Manan Ahmed, a professor of Pakistani history. “It is the mood of the country at the moment.”

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U.S. Is a Top Villain in Pakistan’s Conspiracy Talk

So true… …right.. Thank God…Zaid Hamid is fading away…

U.S. Is a Top Villain in Pakistan’s Conspiracy Talk
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/26/world/asia/26pstan.html?ref=world

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Americans may think that the failed Times Square bomb was planted by a man named Faisal Shahzad. But the view in the Supreme Court Bar Association here in Pakistan’s capital is that the culprit was an American “think tank.”

No one seems to know its name, but everyone has an opinion about it. It is powerful and shadowy, and seems to control just about everything in the American government, including President Obama.

“They have planted this character Faisal Shahzad to implement their script,” said Hashmat Ali Habib, a lawyer and a member of the bar association.

Who are they?

“You must know, you are from America,” he said smiling. “My advice for the American nation is, get free of these think tanks.”

Conspiracy theory is a national sport in Pakistan, where the main players — the United States, India and Israel — change positions depending on the ebb and flow of history. Since 2001, the United States has taken center stage, looming so large in Pakistan’s collective imagination that it sometimes seems to be responsible for everything that goes wrong here.

“When the water stops running from the tap, people blame America,” said Shaista Sirajuddin, an English professor in Lahore.

The problem is more than a peculiar domestic phenomenon for Pakistan. It has grown into a narrative of national victimhood that is a nearly impenetrable barrier to any candid discussion of the problems here. In turn, it is one of the principal obstacles for the United States in its effort to build a stronger alliance with a country to which it gives more than a billion dollars a year in aid.

It does not help that no part of the Pakistani state — either the weak civilian government or the powerful military — is willing to risk publicly owning that relationship.

One result is that nearly all of American policy toward Pakistan is conducted in secret, a fact that serves only to further feed conspiracies. American military leaders slip quietly in and out of the capital; the Pentagon uses networks of private spies; and the main tool of American policy here, the drone program, is not even publicly acknowledged to exist.

“The linchpin of U.S. relations is security, and it’s not talked about in public,” said Adnan Rehmat, a media analyst in Islamabad.

The empty public space fills instead with hard-line pundits and loud Islamic political parties, all projected into Pakistani living rooms by the rambunctious new electronic media, dozens of satellite television networks that weave a black-and-white, prime-time narrative in which the United States is the central villain.

**“People want simple explanations, like evil America, Zionist-Hindu alliance,” said a Pakistani diplomat, who asked not to be named because of the delicate nature of the topic. “It’s gone really deep into the national psyche now.”

One of those pundits is Zaid Hamid, a fast-talking, right-wing television personality who rose to fame on one of Pakistan’s 90 new private television channels.

He uses Google searches to support his theory that India, Israel and the United States — through their intelligence agencies and the company formerly known as Blackwater — are conspiring to destroy Pakistan.**

For Mr. Hamid, the case of Mr. Shahzad is one piece of a larger puzzle being assembled to pressure Pakistan. Why, otherwise, the strange inconsistencies, like the bomb’s not exploding? “If you connect the dots, you have a pretty exciting story,” he said.

But the media are only part of the problem. Only a third of Pakistan’s population has access to satellite channels, Mr. Rehmat said, and equally powerful are Islamic groups active at the grass roots of Pakistani society.

Though Pakistan was created as a haven for Muslims, it was secular at first, and did not harden into an Islamic state on paper until 1949. Intellectuals point to the moment as a kind of original sin, when Islam became embedded in the country’s democratic blueprint, handing immense power to Islamic hard-liners, who could claim — despite their small numbers — to be the true guardians of the state.

Together with military and political leaders, these groups wield Islamic slogans for personal gain, further shutting down discussion.

“We’re in this mess because political forces evoke Islam to further their own interests,” said Aasim Sajjad, an assistant professor of political economy at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad.

Lawyers in Pakistan have a strong streak of political Islam. Mr. Habib, who has had militants as clients, argues that Al Qaeda is an American invention. Their pronouncements are infused with anti-Semitism, standard for Islamic groups in the region.

“The lobbies are the Jews, maybe some Indians, working in the inner core of the American administration,” said Muhammad Ikram Chaudhry, vice president of the bar association.

Liberals on Pakistan’s beleaguered left see the xenophobic patriotism and conspiracy theories as a defense mechanism that deflects all responsibility for society’s problems and protects against a reality that is too painful to face.

“It’s deny, deny, deny,” said Nadeem F. Paracha, a columnist for Dawn, an English-language daily. “It’s become second nature, like an instinct.”

Mr. Paracha argues that the denial is dangerous because it hobbles any form of public conversation — for example, about Mr. Shahzad’s upper-class background — leaving society unequipped to find remedies for its problems. “We’ve started to believe our own lies,” he said.

For those on the left, that view obscures an increasingly disappointing history. For 62 years, Pakistan has lurched from one self-serving government to the next, with little thought given to education or the economy, said Pervez Hoodbhoy, a physics professor at Quaid-i-Azam University. Now Pakistan is dependent on the West to pay its bills, a vulnerable position that breeds resentment.

**“We acknowledge to ourselves privately that Pakistan is a client state of the U.S.,” Mr. Hoodbhoy said. “But on the other hand, the U.S. is acting against Muslim interests globally. A sort of self-loathing came about.”

There are very real reasons for Pakistanis to be skeptical of the United States. It encouraged — and financed — jihadis waging a religious war against the Soviets in the 1980s, while supporting the military autocrat Mohammed Zia ul-Haq, who seeded Pakistan’s education system with Islamists.

But Mr. Hamid is more interested in the larger plot, like the secret ownership of the Federal Reserve, which he found on the Internet. After three years of fame, his star seems to be falling. This month his show was canceled, and he has had to rely on Facebook and audio CDs to make his points. But it is not the end of the conspiracy.
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“Someone else will be front row very soon,” said Manan Ahmed, a professor of Pakistani history. “It is the mood of the country at the moment.”

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:chai:

Yeah, this is a rather disappointing aspect of the Pak psyche. I often find myself in the unfortunate position of having to witness such mental conspiratorial gymnastics among otherwise intelligent and normal people. I could challenge them on it, but such conspiracy theories are not generally very amenable to persuasion.

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^ when US think tanks talk about a new map for the region, who do you think they are helping?

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^ blaming US/Israel/India for water pump break down & electricity crises.. and also for population increase.. is just bs.

pls stop spreading lie bout good good US... thankoo...

The same people who are helped by those giving jihadi khutbas in many places all over Pakistan calling for death to America etc.

Think-tanks are there to debate controversial ideas and just because some think-tank says something doesn't mean it is official policy.

There was an interesting report on TVOne on channel 904 in the morning. The reporter was asking many locals in karachi what they think of the issues facing the country, and like many "no elecrtic, water, food, shelter, no help for poor" ect--saying they no option to do anything.

He said why is it that YOU are the people WHO elect these OFFICIALS and then you blame them for not doing anything. If you know they will do nothing, why elect them. The people no answer.
[Jamshed Dasti is an example]

Also, saying that we will come out in the streets. That wont't do much the reporter said because it has been tried and tested during previous governments. When the people cannot clean their own streets and they expect everything to be changed and blame government and outsiders.

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his theories are so funny..should work as a comedian.

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He is the Pakistani Glenn Beck

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Everyone here if have you guys have guts why dont you counter challnge Zaid Hamid every one just keeps barking like paracha and Zaka but they dont give a single countern argument and what the hell do u thinking that america is doing just nothing yes there are many our own promblems created by us and have nothing to do with USA but there are also many conspiracy done by USA Israel India and Russia r u so stupid enough or just dont want to listen against so called civilized America sir first give better counter arguments than say some thing about a person

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i would love to know which conspiracy theory has gone wrong so far!!! please post them here!!!

I am not a fan of Zain Hamid, infact he was a Musharaf stooge to begin with BUT instead of focusing on Zaid Hamid focus on the people who are in power and their corruption. This Hamid chap isn't running the country, if you think bakwas karta hai tu karney du, its not like he's running the show.

Firenze, you seem to hate this guy to the core, do you even realize who was funding him in the previous reign of power in Pakistan? Instead of focusing on nobodys focus on the people whose words and actions results in 14 hours of load shedding and a Pakistan in sever debt.

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Spock

Zaid Hamid, Ahmed Quraishi etc. are basically media whores. Both were lotas for Musharraf when he had power but today they carry the water for whoever pays their bills from the ISI.

Regardless, it's matter of shame that these idiots are spokesman for our qaum.

Do you believe that US would announce it as 'official policy' if it were to work towards such a goal? Who does it help when US supports enemies of Pakistan?

JB our spokesmen are people like Mr. Haqqani, Mr. Mukhtar, Mr. Malik etc of the PPP now.

Zaid Hamid etc are just nobodys with youtube/facebook following, nothing more. I dont consider them our spokesmen at all. And lol that ahmed qureshi is one retarded idiot, seriously.

I didnt say I blame them, but some conspiracy theories are so out there its mind boggling.

Plus such things are dangerous. Its this sort of denial and conspiracy making that allowed the likes of the Swat Taliban to take over most of the region, and allows other terrorists to kill without anyone even questioning who these murderers are.

yaar, why i hate this guy? certainly for his brainless & aqal-less cries over the national media. Youth is following him like a magnet and having wet-dreams of world domination.

If the loser like Zaid hamid born in some other sane country, he must be behind the bars by now !

the mumbai attackers were hira singh(kasab) and amarlal(his partner).