Re: Pakistani charity funded airline bomb plot
I really hope that is the case and no inappropriate things took place, it would make t tough for pakistani charities in general to operate, it would make it tough for charities to operate, people may give less due to personal doubts and in the end it will only hurt those who need the help back in Pakistan.
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The alleged charity is 'derivative' or perhaps the 'welfare-wing' of LeT, so some reprieve there that it was atleast not a new org/group involvement which would mean "spreading of issue".
From article in first post:
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"British intelligence smelled foul play the moment the transfer was made in December last year," said the senior official, who like his colleague asked not to be identified due to the ongoing nature of the investigation.
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What was British intelligence doing from that time until now when someone was probably about to 'board planes and blast them'?
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bao bihari,excellent point...i have personally seen the accountability of al rasheed and alamgir welfare trust as my family denotes to them...they maintain records very well thts y people trust them....
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I remember better then most of you when in the early 1990s, Jammat-i-islami people used to come door to door asking for donations to help the Kashmiri refugees. They admitted to us after some questioning that in fact they were taking money for the "mujahideen" but couldn't say it openly. We refused to give them money, but gave old clothes instead.
guy1, go lecture someone else about reality, I know very well what Jamat ud dawah's real purpose is. You just have to speak to some of their senior people to find out for yourself. Their primary goal is not rebuilding houses, I'll tell you that much. Only some time back they were called Lashkar-i-Taiba. That should tell you of their purpose. To think they have suddenly tuned to charity and dawah work is laughable. Not everyone can be so easily fooled by lies of mullahs.
As for Al-Rasheed trust, even a six yr old child knows that they are heavily involved in funding "mujahideen". They even admit it openly, so I don't know why kids like guy1 find it so hard to believe.
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All this mujahiden bull**** started in late 80's and 90's during Afghan war. Zia-ul-Haq played key role in creating those jihadi organizations funded by uncle sam to fight russians. Though founders have gone to hell, saga still continued.
FARID
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kehkashan, any background info or links on this
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FARID
Has anyone here directly experienced Zia-Ul-Haq's rule. Obviously I was too young when he ruled Pakistan and died but people talk a lot about him- his Marshall law, imposition of sharia. How was he for Pakistan in general? Did he do good things for Pakistan or bad things?
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I’m afraid most of this is personal recollection, but there are some articles on Al rasheed trust.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1571888.stm
As for jammat’s donations during eid for instance, I think it is an open secret in Karachi at least where most of their profits from selling skins and hides goes to. And hizbul-mujahideen workers used to come door to door during the time when they were really active in Kashmir in the early days. Other Karachi people may be able to corroborate this if they are old enough to remember.
I don’t want to say that all Islamic charities in Pak do this, but some do wthout a doubt.
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Evidence of charity money going to terrorist organizations can be seen from the number of gun totting soldiers during their political/religious rallies. Suicide bombings, assasinations, sectarian murders and number of Kashmiri training camps are/were there for all to see. If anyone has travelled to Pakistan side of Kashmir like I have they wud have seen the so-called jehadi training camps for themselves. These were no ordinary camps, niether was anyone shy of hiding their activities.
Whether there is any truth to the recent allegations is difficult to verify because of the constant propaganda war from both sides, but past illegal activities of these organizations makes their argument very weak.
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Whether there is any truth to the recent allegations is difficult to verify because of the constant propaganda war from both sides, but past illegal activities of these organizations makes their argument very weak.
Blah blah blah...which anti-muslim hate website did you get that template from?
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The Jamaat used to do that (not sure if they still do it, but certainly not openly anymore), I have a scanned article on some distant relative from jang lahore, who lived in Sialkot, and they used to collect alot of funds for mujahideen, but this was back in the late 90s, so it wasnt really being done behind closed doors, they had processions (kinda like fund raisers) too.
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truth hurts? instead of making inane posts why dont u get your head out of your humungo buckaroo and try facing reality, it may hurt in the begining then again u r no stranger to pain....;)
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Kehkeshan and fatguru................ Do you guys believe in Jihad, for a moment forget about what and how the jihadi organizations are being managed and run.Forget about their charity collections.... Just tell me what do you think of Jihad.
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Concept of Jihad as enunciated and practiced by the Holy Prophet, Yes. And, I would not call present day wannabe jihadi outfits as jihadist, these are political parties vying for power, money, fame, revenge and bigotry. In short, these are all political organizations trying to promote and protect their narrow minded interests.
Jihad also comes in different forms, u dont have to go and kill someone to do jihad.
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I believe in Jihad as mandated by Islamic law, not Osama law.
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I agree with both of you and yes curent day so called jihadi outfits are engaged in political activity. But when we denounce them without declaring that their objective i.e Jihad is right but the path they have chosen is wrong then we are sending out a message to the young minds that there is something wrong with Jihad itself. Also its debatable whether or not a jihadi org should indulge in politics or not. look at Israel , if a terrorist army has the political backing they can aparently go and do what they seem right, then it can use the funding it receives from US to destroy homes and kill children as it did in Qana without anyone calling it terrorist.These are the times we live in. The concept of western democracy in this age allows you to do things you cannot if you are not practicing democracy. I am not for a moment saying that these outfits are in perfect harmony with Islam what i am saying is that Muslims of this world do face an enemy who in his practice is far from perfect and is willing to utilise all methods and resources. So i guess what we need to do is to be sensitive with our criticism.
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If we have faith in Allah, we should not need to be involved in questionable and unislamic practices of so called "jihadi" groups. They are a true cancer for our society. There are Islamic ways to challenge Western hegemony.
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But principles laid down are not negotiable, are they. if God’s guidance is to not kill innocent ppl, then no matter what your enemy army is doing, you cant stoop to their level. We have to speak up if someone is twisting the meaning of religion. Whether it is ultra liberal yahoos, or fanatical extremeists, they both need to be corrected where they are wrong.
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What we need is educate people on what jihad is and with that people will figure who is exploiting religion for their political gains.
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I am not for a moment saying that these outfits are in perfect harmony with Islam what i am saying is that Muslims of this world do face an enemy who in his practice is far from perfect and is willing to utilise all methods and resources. So i guess what we need to do is to be sensitive with our criticism.
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or may be we should get educated on our own religion and educate others so all this "sensitivity" wouldn't be there.
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Nothing has been established and proven through courts but people like you are jumping and dancing about Missionary Propaganda that Jihadis are doing everything bad.
If Jihadis are doing these Terrorist activities then it is your Father Bush who is responsible for all this terrorism, it is him who is making our Youth Terrorists, we were not like that before your Kafir Heroes imposed terrorism upon our Muslim States.