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talwar yaar y do u hate pak so much, what did we do that pissed u so much ? tell me man please.
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I do not hate Pakistan. I just hate lies ;)
I repeat. The US has asked Pakistan to arrest these leaders but why has Pakistan not done so?
Pakistan has undertaken a number of operations recently along the border, the – I think it’s called the FATA regions, and we just want to see them do more of that. We want to see if they can do a better job of apprehending Taliban persons who we might be able to identify for them.
But they wre in Afgahnistan, under a Taliban regime that was not an ALLY and was openly supporting jihad against America. Pakistan claims that it will arrest anyone attacking Afghans and Americans, but still cannot do so.
I’m glad you asked. Prepare for a deluge now. See subsequent posts
When one accuses you can call it bias. Afghainistan, Indian, USA and many other countries all point to Pakistan as a source of terrorism. That you cannot dismiss as ineptness but rather a pointer to Pakistan being the source of global jihad.
Akif, here are some of your facts.
*(http://www.opinion.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F02%2F10%2Fwafg10.xml)
The news that at least two prominent former Taliban ministers are safely hiding in Pakistan, while American troops continue to hunt for them just across the nearby Afghan border, will severely embarrass President Pervez Musharraf
Where Taliban go to find warm beds and recruits
“Balochistan has always been, and is still, a second home to the Taliban,” says a Pakistan-based Western diplomat. “It has served as second headquarters after Kandahar during the Taliban’s rule and now it is providing a new lease on life to its guerrilla warfare against the US and its western allies.”
“The more they gain ground in Balochistan, the more their movement will get strengthened,” the diplomat adds. “They can easily channel their financial support and regain their ideological support.”
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A former Taliban leader, who is now hiding in Balochistan, says, “Things are changing. Karzai is losing his control in Afghanistan. Initially we used to hide from our own shadows in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but now we can easily mingle with the locals who extend us all sorts of support.”
Indeed, this Taliban leader felt comfortable enough to arrange his own flight schedule at the Quetta branch of Pakistan International Airlines. :rolleyes:
Pakistani unrest is Taliban boon
Driving through a market full of turbaned Pashtuns just an hour outside of Quetta, taxi driver Abdul Salam says he doesn’t believe the Pakistani government when they say they cannot find any Taliban.
“They are everywhere,” says Mr. Salam. His beefy hands steer the beat-up Toyota past a collection of young men, wearing the distinctive black turbans of Islamic seminary students. “Not everyone here is a fighter, but everyone here supports the Taliban.”
Sitting at his office in downtown Quetta, Maulana Noor Mohammad is hardly invisible. He’s a member of Pakistan’s National Assembly and part of the ruling coalition of religious parties that controls Baluchistan.
“The Taliban [retreated] because they wanted to avoid the bloodshed, and we decided to fight by guerrilla war,” says the Maulana Mohammad. A visitor asks the maulana whether he meant to say “we” or “they” when describing the Taliban. He says “we.”
“Now in the whole of Afghanistan, there is not a single place where there is peace,” the Islamist lawmaker says proudly. “It took some years to defeat the Russians, but it won’t take much time to defeat America.”
A few moments later, a local reporter’s mobile phone rings. The caller is a commander in the Taliban, and he asks the reporter to hand the phone to Maulana Noor Mohammad for a quick chat. :rolleyes:
Such warm liaisons are a far cry from the policy of President Pervez Musharraf. But to squeeze the current powerbrokers in Baluchistan, Islamabad cannot easily turn to their opponents - the separatists.
At the highest levels, Pakistan’s Establishment remains “nostalgic” for the Taliban, says a Western diplomat. Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has cooperated in the hunt for al-Qaeda’s top officials but has shown less enthusiasm for rooting out the Taliban. Until Pakistan’s security services stop sheltering Taliban leaders, U.S. officials say, Afghanistan will never be free from the threat of their return. U.S. intelligence officials in Washington told TIME that the U.S. possesses satellite photos that purportedly show Pakistani army trucks picking up Taliban troops fleeing back across the border after a failed attack. After the U.S. confronted Pakistani officials with the photographs, signs of visible Pakistani aid to the rebels ceased. U.S. and Afghan officials say the U.S. has also provided Islamabad with specific locations of two dozen suspected Taliban hideouts in the tribal badlands. But so far no fugitives have been arrested.
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What about Mullah Zaeef, would he be considered a leader or a nobody?
And UTD sorry to say but that is a really foolish comment "Pakistan: With friends like these who needs enemies?" What the hell is this? We are losing men risking attacks on our own military and political leadership including the president himself so that someone can make smartass comments ion a discussion board? Do you need a reminder about how vital the Pakistani supplied intelligence was to the success of the US ops in Afghanistan? Don't worry, when your present "allies" in afghanistan stab you in the back, then we'll see who are the friends and who are the enemies.
Talwar,
the links you've provided talk about popular support for the Taliban in Balochistan not the support of the Federal Gov't. Perhaps when the government says it can't find Taliban what they are trying to say is that don't get help from the locals in pointing out who the Taliban because as one of the leaders said himself, that they mingle with the people.
:kaboom:
better shut it
u got it wrong!
the bottem line is muslims know who there enemies are ,enemies within and enemies in the open.Most of the muslims waiting for the right man and the right time but the muslims with strong faith and believe will continue their “struggle” regardless of the ground realities.Time has witness on many ocassions men with strong faith in ALLAH have re-written and changed the course of history.This has been prophisized by our beloved prophet MOHAMMED (pbuh).
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What about Mullah Zaeef, would he be considered a leader or a nobody?
And UTD sorry to say but that is a really foolish comment "Pakistan: With friends like these who needs enemies?" What the hell is this? We are losing men risking attacks on our own military and political leadership including the president himself so that someone can make smartass comments ion a discussion board? Do you need a reminder about how vital the Pakistani supplied intelligence was to the success of the US ops in Afghanistan? Don't worry, when your present "allies" in afghanistan stab you in the back, then we'll see who are the friends and who are the enemies.
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Then you should be outraged that this game of appeasing both sides is going on.
After billions in financial gratitude and a F'ing pass after evidence of nuclear know-how had be exchange to rouge nations it's expected that the effort to hunt down and turnover those associated with terror organizations and those that support them would be full and comprehensive. Obviously in house associations make it that much more difficult to execute but 3 years into and that excuse wears thin.
Get a life
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Get a life
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An article full of lies. Seems more like a joke.
Afghan govt....puppet regime.....its days are counted.
Can you list those “lies”? 
^biggest lie:
Al-qaeda training camps in Pakistan.
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^biggest lie:
Al-qaeda training camps in Pakistan.
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It said Taliban training camps in Pakistan, which is a known fact and I have proven it on the other thread on this topic posted by UTD.
It also talked about training camps of jihadi groups like the "Jamiat-ul-Ansar" which is the new name for Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and that fact is also very well known.
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It said Taliban training camps in Pakistan, which is a known fact and I have proven it on the other thread on this topic posted by UTD.
It also talked about training camps of jihadi groups like the "Jamiat-ul-Ansar" which is the new name for Harkat-ul-Mujahideen and that fact is also very well known.
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did you see them yourself? nobody did!
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did you see them yourself? nobody did!
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Well Western and Pakistani reporters saw them and reported in detail.
I have posted some Western reporting. For Pakistani ones, read the book "Jihad-i-Kashmir-o-Afghanistan: Jihadi Tanzeemon aur Mazhabi Jama'aton ka Eik Ja'iza" by Mashal Books. It lists out the names, locations etc of jihadi camps in various places in Pakistan with details of how much it costs etc.
Like the enemies who killed 80 Shia doctors in Karachi? or the ones who blew themselves up during prayers. Yeah buddy they knew the shortest root to Jahanum.
Yeap the “struggle” to behead two unarmed Pakistanis. These cowards will run like rats once Pak army lands there. They should have known better, not to mess with the land of Mohla Jutt. These Araab freaks are just ready for serious spanking.
We should kick out those Paks who support beheading of unarmed civilians. They can go live in Saudi. Stu**d Miskeens and Rafeeks.
Don’t ever mess with Mohla Jutt. Your mother will cry forever.
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did you see them yourself? nobody did!
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No body saw your behind, but we all know who is spreading the stink.
Don't ever mess with Mohla Jutt, unless you want your mother to cry forever.
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Akif, here are some of your facts.
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There is a reason why all your references are from opinionated websites, and not hardcore news media.
Anyway, presence of remnants of taliban in Pakistan is not what Im denying here. For that matter, they are present in just about any country of the world, the way this group is formed, and the way it works. HOwever, to suggest something like "Pakistan is harboring taliban and organizing cross border attacks against neighbors is a plain old stupid story that the world has fallen for one too many times, and I couldnt care less.
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Colin Powell Interview
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Colin Powell....the same man who sat in the Security Council and so shamefully lied in the whole worlds face about Iraq and its WMDs. Hes one to be trusted?
Like I said, the ineptness of the US and afghan forces in Afghanistan, and the ineptness of india in held kashmir speaks whenever they blame Pakistan for 'cross border' crap...not much else. After all that Pakistan is doing on its border with Afghanistan, if they still have doubts, they can shove it.
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No body saw your behind, but we all know who is spreading the stink.
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You!
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Then you should be outraged that this game of appeasing both sides is going on.
After billions in financial gratitude and a F'ing pass after evidence of nuclear know-how had be exchange to rouge nations it's expected that the effort to hunt down and turnover those associated with terror organizations and those that support them would be full and comprehensive. Obviously in house associations make it that much more difficult to execute but 3 years into and that excuse wears thin.
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There is no appeasement of any sort going on except in the mind of the writer. These people are mingling with the local populace and to weed them out takes intelligence and intelligence is a game of patience. It will take time but they will all be dealt with. Second, we cannot speed things up because we can't inflict "Collateral Damage" on our people and while you will conveniently cut and run once more we have to stay behind and deal with the consequences. Finally don't try and obligate us with the financial help and the nuclear issue... a little respect please.
Read this and weep losers!