Pakistan was ready to use Nukes? (merged)

interesting…

Musharraf: Pakistan had been near war with India

ZARAR KHAN
Associated Press

KARACHI, Pakistan - Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf said Monday he’d been prepared to use
atomic weapons if Indian forces crossed into its territory earlier this year when tensions peaked - in an admission of how close the neighbors came to nuclear war.

“I personally conveyed messages to (Indian) Prime Minister Vajpayee through every international leader who came to Pakistan, that if Indian troops moved a single step across the international border or Line of Control, they should not expect a conventional war from Pakistan,” he told Pakistani Air Force veterans,

Pakistan refers to the use of its nuclear arsenal as non-conventional war.

India’s army chief, however, said Pakistan’s nuclear capability did not deter it from war.

“We were absolutely ready to go to war. Our forces were well located,” Gen. Sunderajan Padmanabhan told reporters Monday. “Such a decision (on whether to go to war) is ultimately a political decision,” Press Trust of India quoted him as saying.

On whether Islamabad’s claimed possession of tactical nuclear weapons could have deterred New Delhi from war, Padmanabhan said, “When we assess our adversaries, we assess all its capabilities. We had evaluated it and were ready to cope with it.”

Tensions between India and Pakistan peaked earlier this year when both sides sent troops to their shared border after a deadly attack on the Indian Parliament last December. New Delhi blamed Islamabad, accusing Pakistan’s spy agency of masterminding the assault that killed 14 people.

Pakistan denied the charge.

International diplomacy brought the nuclear neighbors back from the brink of war. And in recent months it appeared that tensions had eased, with both sides saying they have withdrawn troops from the border and stepped back from their previous war footing.

The United States was particularly anxious to avoid an Indian-Pakistani war at a time when it depended heavily on Pakistani support in its global fight against terrorism and as it waged its on war in Afghanistan, Pakistan’s neighbor to the west.

Both India and Pakistan say they possess a minimum nuclear deterrent, although it is not known how many nuclear devices or type of weapons each country possesses.

“We have defeated our enemy without going into war,” Musharraf, referring to India, told the gathering of veterans and active members of Pakistan’s Air Force.

Both Pakistan and India also possess ballistic missiles that are capable of carrying both conventional and nuclear warheads and can hit deep within each other’s territory.

The South Asian neighbors exploded tit-for-tat underground nuclear tests in 1998.

The world condemned the tests and put sanctions on both countries. But the economic penalties were lifted after Pakistan became a key ally of the anti-terrorist coalition following the Sept. 11 attacks.

Pakistan and India share a 1,800-mile border, a section of which is the Line of Control that divides Kashmir. Both claim the region in its entirety and have fought two wars over their dispute.

The simmering Kashmir dispute dates back to the partition of the subcontinent when Pakistan was created in 1947 as a homeland for Muslims of the region. Pakistan wants Kashmiris on both sides of the disputed border to vote whether a united Kashmir should belong to India or Pakistan.

India rejects the vote proposal and accuses Pakistan of backing militants who have been waging a bloody secessionist uprising in Indian Kashmir since 1989 that has killed more than 61,000 people. Militants want either outright independence or union with Islamic Pakistan. Indian Kashmir is India’s only Muslim majority state in the predominantly Hindu country.

The other side was also ready…

India was prepared for war with Pakistan: army chief
(Updated at 1630 PST)
NEW DELHI: The outgoing Indian army chief General S. Padmanabhan said Monday India was fully prepared for a war with nuclear rival Pakistan earlier this year.

Hundreds of thousands of Indian troops were deployed along the border with Pakistan during Operation Parakaram after an attack on the Indian parliament in December last year.

“I can’t confirm or deny… but the Armed Forces were fully prepared during Operation Parakaram… but a final decision on fighting a war or not can only be taken by the government,” the outgoing army chief told reporters at a ceremony at which he was given a farewell as Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee (COSC).

so pakistan want to enforce loc we are trying to do the same .
so accept the staus quo . both understand loc cant be crossed so forget about kashmir.

^ Let me rephrase your comments
- India cannot control LoC but Pakistan can and will, not only to get Kashmir back but to extend its boundries to Bangladesh and beyond

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^ Let me rephrase your comments
- India cannot control LoC but Pakistan can and will, not only to get Kashmir back but to extend its boundries to Bangladesh and beyond
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we know bhutoos coment of thousand years of war did not last couple of weeks. coloful words cant hide the reality. 53 years still cant change the loc.

^ It took 100 years for India and Pakistan to get independence from British rule. Soon you will be called as Non-muslim Pakistani Citizen. Talking about history 50 years are not more than 5 seconds.

Ummm.... Pilot, realism?

Pakistan's governments have never had any interest in rebuilding some kind of Mughal empire. Our nation exist as a Muslim homeland where Muslim majority states can get by without fear of any sort of discrimination to their people.

Pakistan has no interest in any of India except for Kashmir. The Hindu states of India are not part of Pakistan's cause in any way.

Once the Kashmir issue is resolved, Pakistan's future lies to its immediate Western neighbours, rather than to its East.

And we wonder why the international community gives us no respect. :rolleyes:

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^ Let me rephrase your comments
- India cannot control LoC but Pakistan can and will, not only to get Kashmir back but to extend its boundries to Bangladesh and beyond
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How about we try getting Bangladesh back for starters? Or even the piece of Kashmir we have been chasing unsuccessfully for over 50 years?

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Ummm.... Pilot, realism?

Pakistan's governments have never had any interest in rebuilding some kind of Mughal empire. Our nation exist as a Muslim homeland where Muslim majority states can get by without fear of any sort of discrimination to their people.

Pakistan has no interest in any of India except for Kashmir. The Hindu states of India are not part of Pakistan's cause in any way.

Once the Kashmir issue is resolved, Pakistan's future lies to its immediate Western neighbours, rather than to its East.
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pakistan wil always be a south asian country because of geographical and ethnic reasons. look at the kurds in west asia never able to integrate

Izzat Ka dena lena Allah kay haath may hay mian, west tu apni izzat pehlay he baich chuka hay. On the second though who cares about EAST or WEST. amrika ki tarhan badmashi say izzat kamana koi mushkil nahi Pakistan ko…

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How about we try getting Bangladesh back for starters? Or even the piece of Kashmir we have been chasing unsuccessfully for over 50 years?
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That's your opinion and I respect t it but the reality is its been a victorious chase thru out 50 years. Sure after extending the borders to bangladesh we'll look at your starter proposal as well

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That's your opinion and I respect t it but the reality is its been a victorious chase thru out 50 years. Sure after extending the borders to bangladesh we'll look at your starter proposal as well
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allow the biharis who got stuck there in bangaldesh who fought for pakistan.

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allow the biharis who got stuck there in bangaldesh who fought for pakistan.
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Do in Rome as the romans do, that's what beharis should have done like many other sikh, hindus and non-muslims families from India in Pakistan.

US did not ordered the evacuation of its 60 thousand nationals from S. Asia for nothing.

we’re talkin bout a nuclear war here!

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we're talkin bout a nuclear war here!
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Perveiz never used the word "nuclear". Why you guys always love to assume ? specially Indian and Western media. Other day i was readin the foolish report that Pakistan exported Atomic Technology in the coffin of North Korea's embassador yeah as if technology was like size of cig lighter.

No one came in front to defuse tention b/w Pakistan and India in love of Pakistan but only because Pakistan has nukes and 2ndly coz of Taliban thing. To be v true Nukes avoided the definate war b/w India and Pakistan. Leave Pakistan alone. let it go like it is. There will be no war b/w India and Pakistan both know each other's capabilities.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yeah what “non-conventional” weapons does Pakistan have?

Jinns from Jahanum? Rashid Qureshi’s hot air? :hehe: :smiley: :hehe:

in defence yes...

what the big deal ?!?

Welldone to them.......crash......South Asia no longer exists........boom ! Vitali Klisckho kO's Lennox Lewis.