Pakistan wants F-16s to go for the kill

Pak wants to replace drone strikes with F-16 fighter jets to target the hideouts of miltants.
will Uncle Sam agree to this? I guess we already know the answer.


**ISLAMABAD **- **Pakistan is seeking precision-guided munitions (PGMs) from the United States for its F-16 fighter jets to target the hideouts of al Qaeda and Taliban militants in the Tribal Areas, which it believes could replace the US drones program effectively.
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The PGMs intend to precisely hit a specific target and Pakistani security circles believe that its fighter planes, equipped with them, could accurately target the militants in North and South Waziristan as well as the rest of tribal regions.

However, ***US officials are of the view that Pakistani fighter jets, even if equipped with PGMs or smart weapons, could not be an effective alternative to its ongoing drone strikes in the Tribal Areas, where they say scores of al Qaeda leaders, including some top militants, have been killed in these assaults.


Pakistan and the United States had been at odds for months until Islamabad reopened NATO supplies to Afghanistan. The talks on Pakistani F-16s being an alternative to drones programme between Islamabad and Washington were also held before the closure of NATO supplies and have resumed after a lull of some months. ISI Director General Gen Zaheerul Islam, who reportedly meets CIA Chief General David Petraeus on August 2, will discuss this issue at length with him at the CIA headquarters in Virginia.

**“Islamabad and Washington have been engaged in hectic consultations on possible agreement over the drone strikes in the tribal regions but so far with no success. Some plans have been discussed and the idea of F-16s equipped with smart weapons is one of them,” **said a diplomatic source, seeking anonymity.

He said despite the US reluctance, P**akistan believed that once implemented, the plan of better equipped F-16s could phase out the US drone programme that would be also of great advantage to Washington as it would help in lowering of the rising anti-American sentiments in the country. **Another diplomatic source, who is also privy to the ongoing Pakistan-US consultations on counter-terrorism cooperation, said apart from drone strikes, Islamabad was also discussing the increased border coordination between Pakistani, American and Afghan forces with the United States to avert a ‘Salala attack’ like incident in future and General Zaheer’s visit to Washington was part of that dialogue.

He said the US also wanted the return of some of its military personnel to Pakistan for better border coordination and counter-terrorism cooperation, especially the monitoring of anti-terror activities in the border regions. These US military personnel were sent back by Islamabad last year after the relations with Washington became strained. “The ISI chief will also discuss in detail the vital issue of return of some US military personnel to Pakistan with the CIA director and other American officials
during his visit to the US,” he said.

**12 militants killed in Upper Orakzai blitz by these fighterjets on sunday.:k: **

At least 12 militants were killed and several others injured when security forces backed by fighter jets targeted their hideouts in Upper Orakzai Agency on Sunday. Reports said several militant hideouts were targeted in the Dabori, Zakhtan and Gandi Thal areas by fighter jets. Four dens of militants were destroyed in the assault. Officials said a number of militants were also injured during the aerial strikes. The military action was initiated a day after a brutal suicide attack on a compound of pro-government militant commander Maulana Mohammad Nabi Hanfi in Speen Thall. Around 14 persons were killed and more than 20 were injured in the attack. Militants have long held shelters in Upper Orakzai, which is adjacent to Tirrah valley of Khyber Agency. These militants have been involved in deadly attacks on security forces and government installations across the region, including in provincial capital Peshawar.

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Re: Pakistan wants F-16s to go for the kill

Agar wo keh rahey heiN to theek hi keh rahey hoN ge. Wesey agar maarna hi hey to unhey hi maarney do, ye sawaab hameiN apney sar leney ki zaroorat hi kya hey??? aur wesey bhi…F16 meiN jo itna teil saarrna hey, us sey to ye drone hi bhaley…nahi? :bummer:

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lakin collateral damage k chances kam nahi hen fighter jets men?

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drone bhi to missile hi fire karta hey na...

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are bhai, Kharbooza chhurii pe gire yaa chhurii Kharbooze pe gire baat ek hii hai...kaTtaa to bechaara Kharbooza hii hai! :(

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right!:frowning:
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“From the Pakistani perspective, that plan would start with joint strikes, combining their F-16s and the CIA’s drones. The drones would provide round-the-clock surveillance of the targets for the days and hours leading up to the strike, then Pakistani jets would hit the target.”

Pakistan, US to Resume Talks on Drone Strikes | Military.com
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There will be more collateral damage in fighter jets, plus at the moment most of the blame/anger gets shifted to uncle Sam. That way we will become a bull fighter holding a red cloth infront of the bull (ttp).

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The American's wouldn't trust us to carry out the attacks on our own. They think we side with the Taliban.

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^ good for us then.

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Yeah, we have been blamed for leaking intelligence to the Taliban in the past too. So there is little chance of the US agreeing to this demand.

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and would be killing Taliban friends with US

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Our Army is with the Taliban Isnt it?

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The pressure seems to be building on the army, thats why it seems as if they want to own up the drone strikes to bail out the Americans.

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Cant see America agreeing to using fighter planes. Drones are cheaper in the long run becuase they need less maintenance and theres no need to pay well trained pilots who might be placed at risk... in the event of a crash or missile strike.

Also theres a chance that Jets might cause even more damage than drones. Personally I think they should just pull out and leave this bloody war, Drones and all.

America needs man power for a dicisive and meaningfull victory... they havent got anywhere near the man power they need and many Nato members are sick of the war.... the situation has not changed much at all over the last decade or so... the rich got richer and the poor died. As usual.

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And Taliban think we side with Americans … half of Pakistanis think we are fighting with the US and the rest believe we are harbouring the Taliban … :frusty:

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It picks and chooses who it supports and plays them off against each other.

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^ It has a right to do that though… it is part of the region. When the Americans are long gone we will be the ones who will be literally picking up the pieces as a nation. Then again if you believe some… Afghanistan and the US backed forces might invade us… hmmm :hmmm:

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How much peace and security have the drone attacks brought to Pakistani Cities and its inhabitants sofar ????

It's a futile exercise to go in with Fighter jets or drones alone ..... only a combined and lasting mission with safeguarding the afghan border at the same time will ensure some stability and peace in this region and thus in Pakistan over all

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I think that USA will be more concerned that the Precision Guided Missiles will be mostly kept in storage and moved to the border areas next to India.
Previously, most of the military aid/equipment given to Pakistan to battle the Taliban has been instead used on the eastern borders.

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Did we have a secret war with India that nobody knew about?