Pakistan vs India T20 World Cup 2014. H/L post#246

[phoenixdesi]

Re: Pakistan vs India T20 World Cup 2014. H/L post#246

@smooth_guy

In ODI, you should play with 3 fast bowler, unless you have three world class bowler that are also in form. Afridi is not as potent as he used to be four years ago with the ball. Ajmal can't experiment much if the runs are leaking from the other end, so his effectiveness is limited because of lack of pressure from other end. He too is not on his top form with the ball.

For T20 hit or miss format however your suggestion is valid. We should go with three specialist spinners on these pitches.

No...

You play by conditions whether it is 50 overs or 20overs or a test match...

now lets talk about specific conditions that we are facing...
you have to use 2 new balls from both ends so you will not get reverse swing ever as the ball will stay new
plus you have pathetic medium pacers who cannot bowl 142k+ to get the reverse swing....
plus these are low bounce turning conditions where the ball is staying low...so spinners will be a bonus..even if they get for few 6s they will have always give you wickets on these pitches

plus since the ball stays relatively firm as we use 2 new balls from both ends, fast bowlers ball will come on bat a bit more easily
and on top of every thing you have a pathetic pace attack....you dont haave any malingas, steyns in your team...

in these conditions and with technicalities described above, A TEAM LIKE PAKISTAN SHD ALWAYS PLAY WITH NO MORE THAN 2 FAST BOWLERS whether it is a test match, 50 overs or 20 overs....period.

[ehsan]

Re: Pakistan vs India T20 World Cup 2014. H/L post#246

@phoenixdesi

maybe?

I dont know i am merchant of what but i said same things when Pakistan won in last few matches..playing with 3 pathetic fast bowlers is unbelievably stupid in these conditions....

speaking of losing against India in WC...it is getting a bit nasty and serious now. Cricket is the only sport that Pakistanis follow and they have a huge rivalry with india and when you lose for straight 25 years, it will be a concern. no matter what our skippers say shamelessly after losing every match (it does not matter blah blah), it brings the moral down...and one needs to do something. just saying that play your natural game is not going to work. You do some analysis and at least try to find some conclusions and then try to address them.

i agree with aasif that the reason pakistan has lost every WC match is because it is a competition of nerves under huge pressure and since we always had a weaker batting and since batsman needs to make one mistake to get out, we always lost ....and most likely will lose most of times in stressful matches against them....

i also made the point that not only we lost but we lost comprehensively in every match...there was not even one close match...so that tells you something. No matter how bad india batted, we could not chase and when we batted first, we were bundled on a very low score.

Why do we lose to India in world cups I dont know, mental block or something but to say that it is because of nerves, is it? Pakistan has beaten them in other international competition than why were the nerves not there. Why were the nerves not there when Pakistan won the Australasia cup with that sizzling six which is even today remembered by everyone. We have beaten them in Champions trophy as well. Only last month despite the nerves they manage to beat the Indians in a very tight match now if nerves were there they should have surely lost. Arent these international tournaments. The trouble is that Indians to satisfy their ego has narrowed it down to the fact that we have not beaten them ever in world cup to hide the overall inferior record they have against us in ODI's. yes we have lost to them every time in world cups but we won two of them one when we lost to them in early rounds. We should be proud of that fact more than anything else. Last time when they beat us in Asia cup and we won the cup the Indians were saying that beating us meant more to them than winning Asia cup. Yeah right, pigs also fly.

Bottom line, we might be out of tournament tomorrow but we are the only bunch of fans who take extreme pleasure in destroying their team every time they lose.

[GoldenAsif]

Re: Pakistan vs India T20 World Cup 2014. H/L post#246

Turning point of the match: Overs 16-18

M13 Pakistan captain Mohammad Hafeez PC

[Sa1eem]

Re: Pakistan vs India T20 World Cup 2014. H/L post#246

@ehsan

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Bottom line, we might be out of tournament tomorrow but we are the only bunch of fans who take extreme pleasure in destroying their team every time they lose.

It is not fans that destroy team but it is cricket management, selectors and selection procedures who are not only destroying Pakistani team but name of Pakistan.

I do not know if I should call a team 'Pakistani team' when players get selected to play for country on nepotism, provincialism, influences, likes and dislikes of those in management and selection team, etc. If Pakistan has to rise than:

Pakistan should make selection procedure automated. This can be done by having ICC type rating of each player playing domestic cricket in Pakistan (or domestic ranking of players), based on their last 20 or so innings they played. Then:

7 top rated batsmen should be in team.
2 top rated wicket-keeper should be in team.
3 top rated fast bowlers should be in team.
2 top rated spin bowlers should be in team.
3 top rated all rounders should be in team.

Anyhow, when selecting playing team of 11 ... there should be:

Top 5 rated batsmen should be in playing team.
Top rated wicket-keeper should be in playing team.
Top 2 rated fast bowlers should be in playing team.
Top 1 or 2 rated spin bowlers (depending on requirement) should be in playing team.
Top 1 or 2 rated all rounders (depending on requirements) should be in playing team.

[Captain should be one who deserve to be in team on their domestic ranking as player mentioned above].

Rating of players should have rules that cannot be manipulated and should take into account players fielding ability too (a bad fielder can make team lose matches regardless of how good batsmen and bowlers team have). Rating procedure should be such that anyone with little knowledge and mathematical skill can work out rating easily.

Actual rating should be transparent, and should be done by independent body on players figures ... actual performance while playing cricket, taking conditions of game into account. After non-controversial rating is done, there should be no ifs and buts when selecting team.

Since selection would be automated, there would be no cause of discontent amongst anyone, and players would know that if they go down in rating (play badly) they would be out of team. So, all would put their maximum efforts and there would be no politics.

If for any reason a player is not selected to play in playing 11, then that should be captain and manager decision, and reasons should be clearly given to justify decision, so that no ambiguity is left.

A player may not play or get selected due to fitness and that is all, as form would be obvious from their domestic ranking.