Pakistan votes`NO',India abstain ,to U.N call against gay discrimination

Countries at different poles…

Pakistan votes no as UN calls for end to anti-gay discrimination - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

GENEVA: The UN’s top human rights body called on Friday for nations to protect the rights of individuals regardless of sexual orientation, in a vote that exposed global fault lines over gay rights.

The 47-nation Human Rights Council resolution expressed “grave concern at acts of violence and discrimination, in all regions of the world, committed against individuals because of their sexual orientation and gender identity”.
“All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights,” the council said, adding that tradition was no excuse for the violence and discrimination suffered by people worldwide due to their gender and sexual identity.
But the vote cleaved the 47-state council neatly between mostly Western states, and a group including Asian and African nations, many Muslim.
The 25-strong bloc in favour of the resolution included Western and Latin American nations, as well as South Africa, the Philippines and Vietnam.
Fourteen nations opposed the resolution including Muslim countries Algeria, Indonesia, Morocco, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, as well as Russia, and, from sub-Saharan Africa, Ivory Coast and Ethiopia.
Seven members including China and India abstained, while Benin’s ambassador was absent.
Adversaries failed in multiple efforts to use procedural moves to strip the resolution of significance by removing all references to sexual orientation and gender identity.
They also tried to add language making it applicable only to countries who proactively declare support for sexual diversity and rights.
The resolution dismissed cultural specificity as a justification for states allowing anti-gay policies and violence.
“While the significance of national and regional particularities and various historical, cultural and religious backgrounds must be borne in mind, it is the duty of states, regardless of their political, economic and cultural systems, to promote and protect all human rights and fundamental freedoms,” it said.
The resolution also tasked the office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights with carrying out a new assessment of the state of violence and discrimination and how it can be battled.
“This resolution will offer hope for all those in the world who are victims of such violence or discrimination, and that is its goal,” said France’s UN ambassador, Nicolas Niemtchinow.
South Africa offered its staunch support for the resolution, referring to its own history of enduring the apartheid regime.
“This history and the struggle against all forms of discrimination had therefore made us, as a people and a country, commuted to the principle that no person should be subjected to discrimination or violence based on race, class, sex, religion, gender and, as is the case with this resolution, on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity,” said South Africa’s ambassador, Abdul Samad Minty.

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I am Glad that Pakistan said “NO”

Re: Pakistan votes`NO’,India abstain ,to U.N call against gay discrimination

Congratulations to those who abstained and to those who voted No.

How dare the UN impose that we treat everyone with dignity regardless of background.

whut?

Re: Pakistan votes`NO’,India abstain ,to U.N call against gay discrimination

shameful decision by Pakistan…why am i not surprised. looks like it is OK and perfectly legal to discriminate gays in pakistan… i mean that is our public stand. i just dont get it. how can you publicly declare to discriminate a certain group

I see no real difference in a vote of no and a vote of abstain. Either are not a ‘yes’

One is stealth for it’s own reasons and one is visible for it’s own reasons. Both are wrong.

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Yes it is wrong to impose ones personal views on everybody else. We certainly don’t want to be the Taliban.

Re: Pakistan votes`NO’,India abstain ,to U.N call against gay discrimination

why is it wrong? Pakistan is an Islamic country and since 99% Pakistanis are Muslims and Islam does NOT endorse/recognize/condone homosexuality then why in the world the Pakistani leader [the PM] should go against his people’s wishes and and vote against Islamic teachings?

i am glad that NS did that and this is one reason i agree with him.

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The 47-nation Human Rights Council resolution expressed “grave concern at acts of violence and discrimination, in all regions of the world, committed against individuals because of their sexual orientation and gender identity”.*

“All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights,” the council said, adding that tradition was no excuse for the violence and discrimination suffered by people worldwide due to their gender and sexual identity."

What part of this did the countries abstaining and voting no object to? As for the posters who support the no or abstain vote, did you even read this?

Re: Pakistan votes`NO’,India abstain ,to U.N call against gay discrimination

abstinance will prevent AIDS that these homos spread, well done india. modi ji is safe now.

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It isn’t the topic, nor the votes on the topic which amaze me. What amazes me is that the all powerful UN gathered world leaders, not to pass an enforceable resolution on Isreali aggression which knows no bounds, not to form some mechanism by asking more of Muslim “Leaders” to resolve ISIS/Syria situation, but found enough time to ask the world about Gay Rights.

I can understand that it is a reality, but really? Are these the hot priorities the United Nations of planet earth are worried about while more than a third of the world burns in one way or another? It’s just amazing.

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Respectfully, the UN can and should do both. There is no reason to choose. Whether these are “hot priorities” is best answered by the affected groups.

If not now, when?

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However, UN is doing neither. UN stands exposed for its’ lack of enforcement because it is hostage to the permanent members, and if one of them sees their interests being trampled, and votes No or Vetoes something, it’s pretty much a firecracker and nothing more. In order for UN to be a respectable entity which can enforce its’ resolutions, it needs to be free of all influences from wealthy/developed and developing nations alike.

And I’m sorry, but I don’t buy the “If not now, when?” because UN has bigger tasks at hand, and much bigger crimes being committed on world scale that it must make a priority before embarking on seeking resolutions which boil down to a domestic issue internal to each nation.

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I agree with your first paragraph.

Re whether equal rights for all human beings being an internal issue to each nation, I could not disagree more. Civil rights, equal rights are the starting point for any society. There are minimum standards a society must meet to be considered civilized. And that minimum standard is equally rights for ALL. That this is up for debate reinforces the rhetorical question - if not now, when?

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Doesn’t the UN have better things to be doing? They can’t protect the rights of the people of Gaza, so why bother with this?

Re: Pakistan votes`NO’,India abstain ,to U.N call against gay discrimination

and some gays said on a different forum, if they can’t protect our kind from centuries of abuse, who gives a fig about homohating gaza.

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That’s fine too. It all boils down to UN’s inability to enforce any of its resolution, unless by miracle all permanent members take keen interest in it, whatever that may be. World burns, the effected nations look to UN, General Secretary of the organization comforts them with words, and everyone goes to sleep except for the effected and their burning homes.

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The debate is useless and so is this thread.

Whatever UN, a puppet does, has no meaning at all. Never did.

It is like a dancing woman (Raqqasa) dancing to the tune set by selected musicians.

Enjoy the dance.

Re: Pakistan votes`NO’,India abstain ,to U.N call against gay discrimination

Indeed, it is the affected parties that matter. And whatever it is that is burning - either their lives due to discrimination or their homes due to fighting.

When people show indifference to others’ civil and human rights, they have lost the moral high ground to demand justice for the cause that is dear to them. It is preferable one doesn’t pick and choose whose rights need defending and whose burning homes - literally or figuratively - need a fire extinguisher. To most fair minded folks, the right thing to do is obvious.