Pakistan uses biometric system and Afghan don't accept it

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You know this is height of Afghani tribal-headed stubbornness (no racial abuse please this is Afghan government we are talking about).

I mean we are fighting war on terror, and we want to watch our borders. And these idiots block the Afghan side of highway.

How can we put some aqal in these knuckleheads?

http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/11/top10.htm

Kabul irked by biometric system installation

By Saleem Shahid

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QUETTA, Nov 10: The Pakistan-Afghan border remained closed for several hours on Saturday after Afghan authorities blocked the Chaman-Kandahar highway putting barricades and parking huge containers at the entry point against the reactivation of biometric system by Pakistan.

After the protest by the Afghan authorities, Pakistan postponed its plan to activate the biometric system on the border for an indefinite period that was installed last year to discourage illegal border crossing from both sides.

According to sources, Pakistani border authorities restarted the biometric system and when Pakistanis having special identity cards started crossing the border through the new system, the Afghan authorities stopped them and closed the border with Pakistan.

Hundreds of trailers, trucks and oil tankers carrying food and fuel for the allied forces and other vehicles were stranded on the border.

Pakistani border officials tried to convince the Afghan authorities for opening the border but their efforts remained fruitless as the Afghan officials refused to allow Pakistanis to enter into the Afghanistan.

Later, Afghan border commanders Akhtar Mohammad, Wali Shah and Pakistani security officials Col Masood Ahmed, Col Nasir Mehmood and DPO Nasibullah Khiliji held talks which continued for two hours.

After successful negotiations, Afghan authorities opened the border.

The sources said it was decided that Pakistan would postpone restarting the biometric system for an indefinite period and in this connection Islamabad and Kabul would hold further talks.

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Heard that on the news yesterday that the iometric system has been suspended indefinitely. This is blow for Pakistan and i wonder why is our diplomacy so pathetically failed that we cannot implement a thing even at our own borders. A rag tag third century BC Afghan Commander can block a road and we have to given in to his demands.

This porous Afghan border makes Taleban come and leave Pakistan at will.

Now that Bhenga ex-CJ must have something to do with it.

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I don't understand. What exactly is the biometric system, and why would Afghanistan not want it?

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Oh Bhai sahib, these Afghan-stubbors "blocked their side" of the border and snarled the traffic on both side.

This is like Canadians telling US officials that you can't scan and check people crossing the border.

PCG biometric systems are used for identification based on finger prints, iris scan, or other unique features of human body.

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:hmmm:There are easy ways and hard ways. One way is to stop them their roti :chai:. Let them do :bukbuk: for a while, its OK :slight_smile:

http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/10/top16.htm

Supply of wheat to Afghanistan stopped
By Ibrahim Shinwari

LANDI KOTAL (Khyber Agency), Nov 9: Wheat supply to Afghanistan was suspended on Friday as personnel of Khyber Rifles posted at the Torkhum border impounded dozens of trucks loaded with the commodity, sources said.

The trucks were later shifted to an army camp in Landi Kotal, but their drivers were allowed to leave. Officials of the Khyber Rifles also stopped the customs clearance of wheat.

Customs clearing agent at Torkhum Niazuddin told Dawn that the action was taken by the Khyber Rifles without giving a notice.

He said that the Khyber Rifles officials later told the dealers and clearing agents that wheat supply to Afghanistan through Ghulam Khan in Waziristan, Chaman and Bajaur had been stopped to control its shortage in the country after the imposition of emergency.

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This Kharish-zada Kaharazai and his northern alliance followers will never appreciate what Pakistan has done to feed millions of Afghans.

These thankless snakes will always bite the hands that feeds them.

I am sad though because many poor Afghans will suffer due to wheat shortage. May Allah give the Afghan leadership hadayat (the right direction), and they quit stabbing us in the back.

But then may be it is not possible. Tribal stubbornness is very hard to change.

Afghans have with their own hands (and after accepting money from outsiders) have burned their own homes and cities. Even petty animals do not damage their own homes.

So I don’t know where would it lead us as a region. Still I truly feel sad that things had to come down to this where we end up stopping food supply to poor Afghans due their own government’s ill-advised policies.

If this “wheat embargo” lasts any longer, poor Afghans may suffer even more due to the oncoming winter weather.

Sad utterly sad!

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So, if they've blocked their side of the border, no one from Afghan can come into Pakistan right? So, what's the big deal?

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I don't know where you live PCG so let me give you an example. If on a one fine morning, Canada blockades their side of the border, there will be 50 mile long lines of trucks suddenly stuck on US side as well.

This is the fact of international trade, where a country can do stubborn things to itself to harm the neighbor.

And by gollie, Afghans are now well know in the region for their suicidal maniac acts.

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Exactly, we can't we make a hue/cry about it on international stages/UN level? I am sure uncle SAM will say something to Afghanis if they are really interested in fighting this war.

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Time to extend some Emergency-like actions to Afghanistan!

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yeah kick a$$ of every one who is weak. Save a$$ from every one who is strong.

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shhhh, udhar uncle SAM betha hay.

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And Uncle Sam would love to get more help from Pakistan army in order to spank the Talib behind.

In fact Pakistan army has been asked so many times to participate in the "coalition of the willing" to take care of the issues around the world.

Remember Uncle Sam has so many projects around the world. He has UK, Canadians, Australians, Japanese, South Koreans, and Filipinos to help. But he would certainly appreciate more help.

Uncle Sam has always recognized Pakistan army's role in providing stability around the world. And why not?

This army comes from the blood of the brave men who spilled blood fighting and defeating Nazis. After the formation of Pakistan, we were given the presidentship of UN (Sir Zafrullah Khan the great) precisely to recognize our role in bringing peace in the world.

Americans know how we defeated (or more precisely beat the crap out of) Yaser Arafat's fasadis in Jordan, and a long list of action in the Far-East, Africa and the middle East.

Afghanistan is our backyard. This is the time to quit worrying about petty Talibs and go in from Southern Afghanistan.

NATO pressing from the North, while Pakistan "pushes" from the south will take care of Kandhar for a long time to come.

So Reza you are right on the money with your suggestion.

Pakistan army officers and Jawans zindabaad,

Pakistan Paindabaad.

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Thanks, long live Pakistan Army. :k:

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I know but last time around when Pakistan proposed sealing of border Kharazi made some noises about it while kept continuing whining n crying about Pakistan not doing enough.

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Afghanistan is our backyard. This is the time to quit worrying about petty Talibs and go in from Southern Afghanistan.
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I don't think uncle SAM will like it, it will be clash of egos "we can control it here, you can clean up your own backyard first (FATA)" (even though they aren't doing jack/much).

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No need to give too much credence to the mayor of Kabul.

Uncle Sam will be more than happy. Otherwise why would they have NATO and other coalition members helping in Afghanistan?

I guess we may expect bigger resistance from the ex-NA lackeys. However they are in teeters while facing Talibanic menace so they may not have much choice but to get help form Pakistan.

p.s. And Uncle Sam doesn't go with egos if it can save one of his soldiers or save money.

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By gloating like this Im sure many poor people would die of hunger than have you gloat over them. If your going to help someone do it quietly.

You are angry at the Afghans who you claim to feed in Pakistan yet you constantly attack Arabs who employ millions of Pakistanis givig them hope?

Talk about biting the hands that feed you!

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Theres thousands of Pakistanis now working in Afghanistan too.

Thousands of Pakistanis constantly visit Afghanistan for trade - things have changed since 2001 and will continue to do so. Why both countries cant get on and the Afghans not happy over a petty issue it is hard to say. Surely theres more important things to swell on in life for them?

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Logic-101 issue with someone perhaps!

FYI Ben Ladeen's cave is not big enough to employ millions of Pakistanis. Unless off course you have seen millions "serviced" in his caves.

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These guys don't want the border to close, because I can bet that Afghanistani government is behind some of this terrorism that has grown in NWFP. They just want to offload their criminals on us, because they can't keep dealing with them.

So, why can't both countries get along? They can't - not with this behavior from the government in Afghanistan. If they were so sincere about working against terrorism, they'd be all up for the biometric system. Think about it - it would help them track down individuals and identify the Taliban more easily.

They obviously have a reason to not allow for it. Quite honestly, this biometric system needs to be institutionalized inside Pakistan too. A total police state, I know, but I don't see any other way to fix things.