Pakistan, USA and WOT

India ko milay hoor-o-qasoor
Pakistan ko faqt wada-e-hoor

( Illama Iqbal key rooh say ma’azrat kay sath)

The above clearly shows how USA is using Pakistan, the so-called strategic dialogue is nothing more than a tactic to buy time from USA and keep Pressure on Pakistan to DO MORE.. seldom this DO-MORE comes int request format , often it is coated into a threat that if Pakistan didn’t do anything then WE will use our options…

Pakistan needs weapons and latest arms to fight terrorism.. for which USA is THINKING about… Pakistan need new sources of energy and is rightly signing agreements with its neighbors, to which USA have STRONG OBJECTION.. on the other hand… INDIA has been given whatever they have asked… not only USA have turned blind eye on the INDIAN ATTITUDE but have blamed PAKISTAN for everything going wrong in INDIA

^^ Is this is what US-ALLY get from USA?

Found this interesting video. Thought it is very much relevant to the topic.

I would like to add my words (italic & underlined) to 7.20 - 7.34 mins part of the video. They are not just republicans or just democrats… They do not include the whole of amreeka & all of the american citizens & those who live in america (As your muslim jihadis are brainwashed by the very same group to go wage jihad on the common american people in order to create hate & division between the common people hence easier to conquer & rule those common people). They are also not just the american elite. But this group which desires to control & rule the common people of the entire world as slaves includes the ruling elite of almost all the countries of the world. They have ways to control any party which comes to power by way of greed (manipulation for more power and/or money), life and/or other harmful threats or by way of instilling fear of any kind hence give in to their dominance.

This is the same criminal mafia I keep referring to which has been controlling the Pakistani government from behind the scenes. One very important thing & which majority of the people of the world do not believe in currently, however, is that this criminal dominating mafia includes indian criminals & terrorists in a large number (especially so since after the 90s). It is because both share the same ideology - The death, destruction & misery of the muslim communities & the communities which believe in the supreme power of GOD. How else would you explain the promotion of vulgarity & obscenity through entertainment (& other media) first in america & now in Pakistan through bollysh!t (& now GEO, etc.)? It is because indians - the most corrupt nation on this planet - have no qualms to even replace their religion, belief system & just about anything about them for the sake of worldly benefits. So, they both have quite the same idealogy hence they make a strong criminal combo to take the people of the entire world into slaves.

Indians have, through out the centuries, manipulated the history events of the indian subcontinent to suit their own criminal agenda of wiping out / destabliszing the muslim communities. Hence, the people of the entire indiaread in school those fabricated tales of the pakistani & muslim people. These indian criminals & terrorists lie not only to the world’s people but to their own people through the fake history they made their lallu historians to write which would only cause the non-Pakistani people to believe that muslims in general & Pakistanis in particuler are blood thirsty & murders-loving beasts & demons that the world’s people are not safe from. The saddest part is that no & lack of correct Islamic religious education made the brainwashing of ‘born’ muslims so much easier for these forces which helped them prove their lies about the muslim & specifically Pakistani people correct.

I have repeatedly said this (That’s why this mafia is too desperate to somehow, anyhow, locate & silence me. That is very usual of them to silence anyone who struggles create public awareness about their satanists plans) & Im still saying that the world needs to know that this satanists mafia I keep referring to is made up of a large number of indian terrorists & criminals. Nobody can see it yet because we cannot see the things which go on behind the scenes. This mafia desirous of taking the people of the whole world into slavery are making the common people of the whole world remain lost in vulgar music, dances, entertainment & other immoral acts & hence never be able to understand how they are slowly being taken into slavery by the memebers of this criminal mafia who wrongly assume themselves to be ‘intellectuals’, ‘better’ & ‘blessed’ people. That is why they continue with their ruthless & barbaric plans without feeling any shame. Oh wait!!! Satanists dont have no shame, anyway.

if you need to fight terrorism, then dont you need to 'do more'? on one hand you are accepting help from the US on the other you are slow and weak in your resolve to fight terror. to beat 'terror' in pakistan you will need to turn pakistan upside down!
and if you agree that there is a terror fight to be fought, why cant you accept the US request to completely erradicate it?

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Pakistan need new sources of energy and is rightly signing agreements with its neighbors, to which USA have STRONG OBJECTION.. on the other hand... INDIA has been given whatever they have asked... not only USA have turned blind eye on the INDIAN ATTITUDE but have blamed PAKISTAN for everything going wrong in INDIA

^^** Is this is what US-ALLY get from USA**?
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what deal do you want? in the other thread sargecandy posts a long list of very worldly benefits from the f16 deal, most have strategic importance for pakistan.

you are getiing money, weapons and other help. enough for for me to say pakistan/raw/cia/mossad bhai bhai. what else do you want, you are only fighting slipper wearing people in a far off corner of your country and acting as transport conduit for a war against slipper wearing villagers of a bordering country. its hardly high risk international war is it?

so what deal do you want, do you want an extra $$$100 million per week? will that satisfy you. what is the is the magic figure which will help drown out the fact that you have blood on your hands.
and if your war is righteous and you are doing this for yourselves, then why should the US give you anything? surely if you believe in your cause you will fight irrelevent of handouts!

i want you (pakistan) and all the powers of the world to fight the financially poor muslims who set up a shariah compliant government in modern times, because i want to see miracles during my lifetime

:k:
miracles we’re seeing right now! more to come insh’Allah.

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welcome back cp, the forum is worth visiting again

Where is this "shariah compliant government"?

Well my addressee were the people who are die-hard supporters of US's WOT and would like Pakistan to go extra for it...

as far as i am concerned, i am more of Pro-Pakistan and do not believe in any WOT etc...

How to fail them?

How many kids will have to die, how many women will have to be widowed, how many parents will loose their grown up children, how much destruction will have to occur before your appetite for miracle will be satisfied.

i think this question is more app. for you to answer (but please spare us this time, ive heard enough from you), since you are supporter of this war because 'brotherly nations' will go against you in the UN if you dont fight (your words). so yateem children, fatherless households and all sorts of other deprived fasad that you are commiting with the help of all world powers, full media backing to give you complete cover.

perhaps you could answer hanibals question - what deal do you want from the USA?

I think u give too much credits to indians and baniyas. If they are contolling amreeka and others, how come 50%+of their population is dirt poor?

well said bro. it's hard for the WO"T" chamchas to look in the mirror and ask this question.

hanibal,

As the end of time approaches, these satanists would actually become stronger than they are now. The sufferrings & oppression of the righteous & true believers of God would increase & not decrease with the passage of times. As you can already see how these satanists are now using their tools (suicide bombers) to target none other than the most harmless of believers busy worshipping God in their places of worships. This has never happened before. This oppression would continue to rise & spread to the rest of the world as it has been prophesied in all the older scriptures. Then when no pure soul on this earth is safe from their evil, corruption & oppression is when the true Messiah / the Christ would help those oppressed ones from their evil. Not sure if that the end of that corruption & oppression spread by this group of satanists would happen before or after the emergence / end of the anti christ / dajjal (Who is supposed to be a human heading this dajjalic system imposed on rest of the world & no, I dont think that is obama. He is just a figurehead / an actor, not the real anti christ). But surely only the true Messiah / the Christ would help the oppressed ones from that evil. Till that happens (Most probably in another 10-13 years from now), we can only wait & see & for individual protection, ofcourse, read first 10 verses of Surah Kahf daily & ofcourse other parts of Quran for protection like Surah Baqra, Aytul Kursi, 4 Quls, etc. This is happening quite fast. I mean, look at the way these satanists have now started to specifically & so easily target the believers with purest of hearts, dearest to God worshipping God in their worship places. What does that tell you? It is happening so fast. You cant stop it because the prophecies have to be fulfilled. And the only way of protection is as much closeness to God as possible. I have noticed one thing that these times are claiming lives of those with a strong faith in God & His supreme power. Ofcourse, it is by the will of God & they are lucky to go because they are dearest to God. It is because the oppression which is yet to come on the remaining people of this world would have been too hard on those purest of souls & truest of believers of God who are being blessed with shahaadah on daily basis (Recent Data Darbar & so many other suicide attempts on the mosques). Satanists are clearing this planet from the existance of the good souls so that most of the ones who remain are weaker in faith, intellects, morals, etc. so there is least resistance to accept the fake messiah / dajjal as the supreme authority. All of those who feel these satanists vibes around us are getting stronger must keep busy in the rememberence of God & constantly read duas of protection from this spreading fitna & fasaad.

When I was new in Pakistan, there were times I said to myself, "Oh what a hell hole! Definitely, this place is sufferring from some azaab of God. No place in the world is as unsafe as this one." So much of what I have seen in the recent months, now I am so glad to be in this place because no other place you could so easily embrace the blessing of 'shahadah' as so many of those dying while worshipping God in mosques are embracing on almost daily basis. No other place could offer you that blessing, only Pakistan. There is definitely 'something' about Pakistan for why satanists are targetting it................ That 'something' is the fact that it has the most number of purest of hearts & the truest of believers. There is a reason why it is called 'The land of the pure'. The present condition of Pakistan also makes me recall one of the prophacy in which it is said that during this fitna of dajjal, the 'heaven' would look like hell & the hell would look like heaven but those stronger in faith would be able to see the real hell & heaven. Pakistan for me is that heaven which the satanists have been struggling hard to portray as hell because of no security of human lives here. But guess what, all those harmless, non-offensive, innocent believers & worshippers of ONE God who are dying in these blasts are actually embracing shahadah which is a direct path to heaven. So, the easiest way to get to heaven? Go to offer your namaz or read Quran in any of the mosques across Pakistan, most likely you'll be killed a suicide attack carried out by a human-tool trained & sent by the satanists. Your straight ticket to heaven. Yeah, those who mistakenly think it is a 'hell hole' (As I thought myself when I was new here) are unable to see how this place offers an easy ticket to heaven. Noticed how the headcount for the jummah fajjar prayer in data darbar was increased the very next morning? Those people are clever enough to see the real heaven & real hell. I know majority of the stupids here would find all of which I have stated above idiotic because they are so much engrossed in the world. All of what I stated would sound like bedtime stories to them...... especially the satanists who regularly read my posts here looking for clues to cause more harm to Pakistan. But these are facts.

Why I believe in that much more strongly than ever before is because amongst many of those who died in the last bomb blast on data darbar was one distant acquaintance who was a kind of soul one would think do not exist in this sinful world anymore. The most humblest muslim believer I have ever known. Last I knew, he was working on a little research work about Prophet Issa AS. Imagine how many more just like him were massacred in that blast & have been massacred in the mosques over the recent years. Notice the places & the people these satanists who control & use human-goats as suicide bombers have been targetting. There is no doubt that those causing massacre of purest of believers, by way of exploitation, are none other than satanists - agents of the lucifier - which incase of Pakistan, I believe are none other than indian satanists.

Myself, I try to read Quran, duas, praises of God as much as possible to stay protected from the rising evil as that’s the only way to stay protected. I would surely be lucky to leave this world before 'the real oppression' of master/slave system has been implemented over the people of the whole world in the coming decade or so (10-13 years).

VoiceOne,

Are you telling me that satanists care to provide for the poor? Satanists are getting rid of all of the true worshippers of God & those who they fear could present any kind of resistance against the master/slave system they plan to implement on the rest of the mankind. Anyone with a slight streak of 'disobedience' / resistance to their upcoming international master/slave oppressive system they want dead. Only those weaker in faith would accept anti christ / dajjal as the supreme power. Those dirt poor would most probably die in poverty. Satanists are not worried about them. The 'not so poor' common people would be living the 'slave' status. Which is common people like you and me who are not part of and/or do not accept the world authority of satanists' elite.

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"India ko milay hoor-o-qasoor"

What di India get from USA? Nothing so far. If you are talking about the nuclear fuel agreement, we have to pay through our nose for that, if an when it materializes.

On the other hand Pakistan has received and is receiving billions in aids, grants, reimbursements, military assistance etc not only from both super powers (USA and China).

Why the complain?

shardmanny, I quote your friend from another thread:

I refer to the bold parts. Is that the kind of 'shariah compliant government system' you're struggling to implement? Where talibanic religious police roaming around the streets (like in saudia) & hit with a stick all the muslim men who dont flaunt a beard & all the muslim women who dont flaunt a burka???? I really wish to know. Please be honest.

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Voiceone, I would like to add 2 more things to what I said above:

  1. I am not sure if the figures are officially available or declared by the Satanist government of india, their media or anyone in india that a lage majority of those dirt poor Indians are muslims who do not have even roofs on their heads. Ofcourse, there is absolutely noone in india who would officially admit that fact. This is the great, mighty, secular india for you.
  2. Secondly, I would like to tell you that india has left those dirt poor to be taken care of by the foreign charity programmes. Their own monetory resources & assets are spent on buying more & more ammunition, nuclear deals & their military. But indians would NEVER tell you that. They would only tell us stupid & naiive pakistanis how bad Pak army & agencies are & how all the pakistanis must fight against them in order to weaken Pakistan.

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Ambassador is my new favourite comedian. I am absolutely loving his posts. Keep them coming.

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ambass, i would answer your question but its too complicated to answer here. if you dont believe in living by the shariah yet then i guess its time you looked into it. theres things which seperate the believers from those who want heaven on earth, those who want their rewards on earth get them! at huge cost in the hereafter. afaik

shardmanny, it is not correct to believe that those who suffer in the world would surely get their reward in the hereafter & those who live in the world like they're living in heaven are the ultimate losers. It is only God who decides what He would provide people in this world & in the hereafter. I guess I heard in Quranic translation that there are those whom God provides all the blessings on earth and in the hereafter. And there are those who get their rewards only in the hereafter but sufferings on earth. Then there are those who (due to their thanklessness or any other sins) are not privided any blessings on earth & in the hereafter.

So, the point is, there can be no comparison which can be made that which people are God's most favourite & whom He keeps close. It can be anybody whom He likes for any reason. We cannot say why because He is Al-Hakeem (All Wise).

Secondly, it is not shariah but I dont believe that islam is a religion of 'compulsion'. My strong belief is that Islam is a religion based on common sense on how to spend your life (way of life as they say it). Those who follow it, benefit from it in the world & the hereafter. Those who dont suffer in the world in one way or the other & also in the hereafter. But despite all that, I do not believe that all those flawless 'way of life' as described in Islam can be enforced upon any human of the world. Yes, they can be advised politely, those ways can be promoted as an example (by following those ways ourselves in the true essence as it is instructed) but Allah does not give any human a right to enforce Islamic ways upon anyone. Why should we??? Those ways of living are so good that people must feel attracted & willing to follow it. Not start to repulse it because any one or a group of Islamic followers with a danda in the hands start to to make the rest of the humans of the world grow a beard & start wearing a burka when these two things are not even FARZ. I mention only these two things to keep things simpler. There are so many more complicated stuff as per shariah which is not advocated by quran but the followers have made them to appear essential rules of islam by force of a danda.

That is what I disagree with. I mean, the basic thing is, Islam is not a religion os compulsion but a religion of common sense for those who can see. Then tell me why make life so harder for yourself & for everyone else? Because those who do not follow Islam in its' true essence are the ones at loss not those who do. So, you should be concerned if you are at loss or not, you cannot be responsible of loss of the humans of the whole world. They have their own brains to think & decide what path they wish to follow. Why waste so much innocent blood in order to put them on the right path?

so you went counted how many?

why don't you do a a simple arithmetic. Say 50% of Indians are poor. To be a majority in that 50%, how many muslims are needed?

Then look at what the muslim population in India is