Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
would appreciate if you give these lessons in our culture forums, so that we can rectify our mistakes :)
I typically "give lesson" in jest to those I consider friends. To have fun. They know it.
In this case, I gave "these lessons" to blunt unnecessary chest thumping.
You can have the last word. Have a nice day :)
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
I typically "give lesson" in jest to those I consider friends. To have fun. They know it.
In this case, I gave "these lessons" to blunt unnecessary chest thumping.
You can have the last word. Have a nice day :)
No problem :) unnecessary chest thumping is common trait on both sides of the border. khaya piya kuch nahin glass toRa 12 aane. Thanks for your input.
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
Ibn e batuta on Hindustani aam
**’ Hindustan main ek mewa anb hota hai. iss ka darakht naarangi ke darakht se mushabah hota hai, lekin iss se bada aur patte bhi ziada hote hain.saya bhi nihayat ghana hota hai, lekin jo shakhs uske saye main sota hai kasalmand (sust) ho jata hai. aur uska phal aaloo bukhare se bada hota hai 
pukhta hone se pehle sabz hota hai aur jab gir padta hai to uss main namak daal kar achar banate hain. issi tarah jaise hamare mulk main lemoo aur khatte ka achar banate hain. adrak aur mirch ka bhi achar banate hain aur khane ke sath khate hain. aur her niwale ke peeche thoda sa achar kha lete hain 
jab khareef ke mosam main anb pakta hai to zard rung ka ho jata hai aur usko seb ki tarah khate hain. baaze us ko tarash kar khate hain, baaze chooste hain. iss main sheerinin ke sath kuch turshi hoti hai. guthli badi hoti hai aur guthli ko bote hain to darakht ho jata hai, jaise ke khatte ke beej boote hain.
**So this is what these Arabs knows about Hindustan. Atleast, we share aam aur aam ka achar with Hindustan 
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
The suggestion by the OP is very absurd ... First of all in order to assess inheritance we have other tools to pick from ... The region described by the ancient civilisation and its superimposition with modern borders proves nothing ... Because the picture is not taking into account migrations rather the assertion is that there were no migrations ... Rather genetically we know that the people of the majority of Pakistan and India are descendants of the Aryan invaders from the West, who settled displacing the indigenous people further East in to current Indian territory. There were further mix ups when the Mongols came in ... There is also evidence to suggest other than these people being somewhat integrated, their could have been a mass genocide ...
Lastly the vision of Pakistan includes East Pakistan, which is current day Bangladesh ... There is only one reason why the region previously occupied by the ancient civilisation is roughly over the Western Pakistan political border ... It is because of the valley itself ... Jinnah chose it to ensure a secure access to water source for the majority of the country, it is accidental that ancient civilisations ho also tend to build around water, because their technologies were too limited to make cities in deserts like we can today.
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
Lol at the discription of achaar. It's strange people used to eat it during his time. :@:
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
Lol at the discription of achaar. It's strange people used to eat it during his time. :@:
achar was common among IVC and ganges valley. It was also consumed in Arabs and Muslim Spain (Ibn e Batuta came from Morroco, Africa)
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
^ some articles that I read they quote some Chinese travellers do you know if we can find their books somewhere? For example I posted an article from Pak tea house and he quotes tsang.
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
Ali there are many travelogues translated into English and Urdu and available in market. Ibn e Batuta is most famous. Afterwards, there are many European travelers who mentioned their experience of visiting India with mirch masala and high fantasies. The most infamous is Italian traveler Manochi who visited India during the period when Aurangzeb was fighting with his brothers for succession.
There is beautiful translation for Tamerlane as ‘Main hoon Taimur’ - an autobiography of Taimur published by Sayyara Digest publications, which tells us about social issues of different countries including India. Taimur also states that Indians used to eat food on banana leaves, when he visited there.
Regarding tsang:
The Silk Road Journey With Xuanzang - Sally Hovey Wriggins - Google Books
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
Eastern part of Pakistan, Punjab and Sindh, definitely are heirs to IVC. But so are Northeastern parts of India. Places like Kuchh, UP, Rajasthan, etc.
Making that civilization exclusively Pakistani is false. In fact, I think current North India's culture and religion is closer to IVC people than current Muslim culture and religion of Pakistan.
BTW, just posting a geographical map to prove the point of IVC culture being exclusively Pakistani, is "amusing" to say the least.
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
The Indus Valley Civilization, one of the world’s greatest ancient civilizations. However, the birthplace of the IVC is currently located in Pakistan. Since the 1980s, the Pakistan government publicized that the IVC was the birthplace of the world’s greatest civilizations. By stating this fact by Pakistan made India uneasy. India’s pride had been greatly damaged.
In light of these circumstances, India’s Hindu nationalist scholars devised a new theory on the IVC. They claimed that the original birthplace of the IVC was not Mohenjo-Daro or Harappa, currently in Pakistan, but the dried-out Saraswati River basin, located in India. This theory was actively expanded and propagated in the 1990s, when Hindu fundamentalism was at its peak in India. At that time, Indian politics were reactionary, dominated by Hindutva Hinduism, and led by conservatives under a banner of anti-Pakistan, anti-Islam, and a return to Hinduism. History shows that the movements of reactionary forces usually spread like wildfire. Hitler’s Nazism and Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward are good examples.
As a result, India was swept up by Hindu nationalism in the 1990s. A good number of scholars and archaeologists desperately fabricated the Saraswati River Civilization. Influenced by Hindu nationalism, anti-Islamic Hindu fanatics persecuted and attacked Muslims, even leading to a massacre. Conscientious scholars stepped forward to declare a war against Hindu nationalists, because such matters are too big to be dealt with within the boundaries of history and academics.
Conflicting interpretations of facts are natural in dealing with history. However, history has degenerated into the fabrication of facts that match fixed interpretations. History is often used as a tool of politics, outside the boundaries of academics. When history, especially ancient history, meets with certain ideologies, it comes to have a profoundly explosive power. With nationalism at the center of many national ideologies, history is at the center of the politics governing countries and their people.
*This is how Mr. Lee Kwangsu, Professor, Division of Russian and Indian Business Studies, Busan (Old Pusan) University of Foreign Studies, South Korea in one of his essays explains Indian attempts aimed at stealing the identity that belonged to Pakistan. *
Re: Pakistan: The True Heir Of Indus Valley Civilization – Analysis
True that Indian nationalists have crazy theories to boost their national pride.
This is unfortunate, nobody who does it. I hate to read intentionally distorted historical analysis due to biased/prejudiced goals of the person.
I think everyone is responsible for this. Pakistanis, Indians, Greeks, Europeans; some probably more than others.