Pakistan - State Victim of Cross Fire

[hanibal]

Since 80s Pakistan has been victim of cross fire.

Surely Pakistan played an important role in defeating Russians in Afghanistan, but on a separate note, the Afghan Front was just another war between two super power…

Pakistan got caught in cross fire and ended up with Kalashnikov-Culture, Heroine and other problems

in 90s, Iran & Saudi backed sects had their own war going on, they use to kill/bomb each others mosque, again the Pakistani People nor Pakistan has to do anything with it… thought Pakistan suffered from it.

Since 2001, Pakistani people are suffering from a war from two extremist groups… one is fascist Taliban and other is Fascist Liberals. Both seems to have same ideology i..e only they are right and who ever disagrees with them i their enemy and should be slaughtered or bombed.

Interestingly, the victims of this war is the common man who apparently is more worried about his day to day survival in troubled economic situation. They are the paying the price of this war.

I have not heard that so far, these facist have been able to kill any of the important leader of their opponents, few pawns die here and there.. but heavy casualties has been seen on Pakistan side.

Being a typical Pakistani, believe in the following saying of Imam Shafi

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4359/siggupshup.jpg

I carry an opinion but don’t impose it on others…

Both the groups are fighting for their ideologies, they are killing innocent Pakistanies to impose their ideology on them.. none of them is bothered by the fact that what Pakistani people wants… obviously they believe in killing and bombing of those who disagree with them.. and i guess thats y they are killing and bombing Pakistanies..

Drone Attacks kill more innocents then the pawns/leader of the taliban side… taliban suicide attacks kills innocents than the pawn/leaders of the so-called liberals…

We surely have caught in cross fire… the only way out is… kill/eliminate both sides who are killing us every day…

[Captain_FT]

Re: Pakistan - State Victim of Cross Fire

100% Correct! that was my thoughts which were propagated wrongly by some traitors.

now you have said the same thing which i was trying to convey to all people.

:)

[Captain_FT]

Re: Pakistan - State Victim of Cross Fire

but the propaganda machines will not consider this fact and will remain propagating here on gs!

[kakaballi]

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Agreed but its more like fascist ideological fanatics v/s fascist capitalistic fanatics.

[hanibal]

@Captain_FT

100% Correct! that was my thoughts which were propagated wrongly by some traitors.

now you have said the same thing which i was trying to convey to all people.

:)

Now you have to fight back with these propagandist or brain-washed person.. the only way to deal with them is to talk to them with logic and reality... they won't stand a chance...

[hanibal]

@Captain_FT

but the propaganda machines will not consider this fact and will remain propagating here on gs!

that's why we call them Propagandist

[hanibal]

Agreed but its more like fascist ideological fanatics v/s fascist capitalistic fanatics.

In away yes u can label them with these titles as well!

[LockJaw]

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Firstly, fascist has a specific meaning guys, it doesnt just mean a bad person. It refers to a totalitarian, nationalist and corporatist worldview that you cant use everywhere.

Secondly, in context of Pakistan, it is naive to say that the average Pakistani doesnt have a say in this. We elected these leaders. And we can elect different ones next time round. The side of the drones does not seek to change that. The side of the Taleban does. The side of the drones does not wish to keep territory for itself. The side of the Taleban does. The side of the drones does not seek to broaden conflict to urban centers. The side of the Taleban does. Most importantly: The side of the drones does not recruit from our own people, there is no risk that if we dont actively condemn and root it out that people from our population will join the evil cause. The side of the Taleban does exactly that.

There is a definite imperative to disassociate ourselves much more strongly from the Taleban even as we get the drones to stop. One is from within us, and that makes it much more pernicious.

[kakaballi]

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^ There is no denying whatever you said. My only problem is with how we are dealing with the issue. God save us.

[saroo]

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Couldnt agree more...........Unfortunately very few in the world agree with us, we dont have the leadership to drive this message home to those who have sympathetic view of our sorry state today neither our leadership have the balls to stand up to them. I am sure some here will say we dont have what it takes to stand up to the big boys.
I feel like we are in a situation where we our enemy is aiming at us with a gun and very very slowly pulling the trigger , threatening that if we try to defend he will pull the trigger quickly. If he is gonna pull the trigger eventually anyway we might as well stand up and fight now.

[Robert]

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I disagree with the title. All signs indicate, we are not in the crossfire.
WE are the target.

[Khehkeshan]

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Can anyone identify which fascist liberals have been the cause of where Pakistan is today dealing with the terrorist jihadi problem and existential threat to the country?

[kakaballi]

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Pakistan is where it is today because of feeding a huge army for half a century which was there to serve American purposes. We are close to becoming a failed state not because of anything else but by being slaves of ‘the leading terrorist state in the world’.

Chomsky Interview: The United States is a Leading Terrorist State - Monthly Review

[aam_bandha]

Pakistan is where it is today because of feeding a huge army for half a century which was there to serve American purposes.

One line which signifies what is the major problem in south asian region !!!!!!!!

[kakaballi]

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^ I can't say for south Asian region. For me, its a problem at least for Pakistan.

[junaid001]

although i dont consider Mr saleem shahzad credible but here is his report.
US reaching out to hekmatyar.
this was prime fear of pakistani establishment, americans getting bored and leave cleaning their hands and all the mess would be put on pakistan as before after afghan jihad.

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs

The choice of Hekmatyar also indicates just how desperate the US is in finding an escape route from the escalating crisis in Afghanistan. Hekmatyar is a declared terrorist with a reported $25 million price on his head. The 61-year-old engineer from Kunduz province and his anti-government fighters are responsible for large numbers of attacks against Afghan and international forces, mainly in the northeast of the country.

ATol: Could you please confirm whether Pakistan is involved in this dialogue process - or is this just between the HIA and the US?

																**DA:** I have not met with any Pakistani official at all. This is my  																	personal initiative since I know what the HIA wants and what the Taliban wants  																	in order to see if we could make a situation possible in which foreign troops  																	leave Afghanistan as soon as possible. This is the demand of both sides, the  																	HIA and the Taliban. This is the first priority: that foreign troops must leave  																	Afghanistan as soon as possible. And based on that we [want] to find the way to  																	bring peace to this war torn country. 																	

[hanibal]

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Firstly, fascist has a specific meaning guys, it doesnt just mean a bad person. It refers to a totalitarian, nationalist and corporatist worldview that you cant use everywhere.

Secondly, in context of Pakistan, it is naive to say that the average Pakistani doesnt have a say in this. We elected these leaders. And we can elect different ones next time round. The side of the drones does not seek to change that. The side of the Taleban does. The side of the drones does not wish to keep territory for itself. The side of the Taleban does. The side of the drones does not seek to broaden conflict to urban centers. The side of the Taleban does. Most importantly: The side of the drones does not recruit from our own people, there is no risk that if we dont actively condemn and root it out that people from our population will join the evil cause. The side of the Taleban does exactly that.

There is a definite imperative to disassociate ourselves much more strongly from the Taleban even as we get the drones to stop. One is from within us, and that makes it much more pernicious.

Average Pakistani is tired of both sides, he didn't want this war to be fought on his land and at the cost of his life. unfortunately these so-called leader ran their campaign promising change... if the govt. have changed the policies of the Fascists... yes things might have changed.. but govt. have sided one of the group engaged in this war... and like is said, none side from the leaders has lost anything.. infact they have been awarded/funded by the enemy of Pakistan carry out their activities in Pakistan to weaken the state...

We Pakistanies have to disassociate from both sides, as both sides are equally extermist and barbaric... i.e. Taliban behead people and lashes the "criminals" and these facists use drill machine to kill their opponents, they rape and kill women of the their criminals.. they burn alive anyone who disagree with them... so Pakistanies have to be themselves... they have to declare war against extremism in its every kind....

[hanibal]

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Couldnt agree more...........Unfortunately very few in the world agree with us, we dont have the leadership to drive this message home to those who have sympathetic view of our sorry state today neither our leadership have the balls to stand up to them. I am sure some here will say we dont have what it takes to stand up to the big boys. I feel like we are in a situation where we our enemy is aiming at us with a gun and very very slowly pulling the trigger , threatening that if we try to defend he will pull the trigger quickly. If he is gonna pull the trigger eventually anyway we might as well stand up and fight now.

We have to say this and believe in it... I have not come up with this theory, this is in the heart of every Pakistani, who believes that Pakistan is their homeland and we as Pakistanies has the duty to build it. ( sorry about the people who have only one hobby that is calculating/guessing the date of disintegration of Pakistan)

Our enemy is there from day one, he have the gun in his hand.. and yes he have his finger on the trigger.. but we have our thumb on his throat as well.. our enemy has weakness... India have its on set of problems and Americans are trying their best to come out of this financial crisis which may dissolve the capitalism or Capital-markets.. so this is our chance... lets try to find a dignify place in today's world where poles are shifting...

[hanibal]

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Can anyone identify which fascist liberals have been the cause of where Pakistan is today dealing with the terrorist jihadi problem and existential threat to the country?

When these Jihadies were not there, Pakistani security forces where dealing with these Liberal Fascists... now do your one research to find it out.. hint.. anyone who is happy to see dead bodies of innocent people of different ideology...

[hanibal]

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@kakaballi

Pakistan is where it is today because of feeding a huge army for half a century which was there to serve American purposes. We are close to becoming a failed state not because of anything else but by being slaves of ‘the leading terrorist state in the world’.

Chomsky Interview: The United States is a Leading Terrorist State - Monthly Review

Yes Pakistan is here today because we have this huge army, otherwise, you and your family might be sitting somewhere seeking permission for selling cows meat and/or guarding your family/house from the hindu extremist…

No matter how bad Pakistan Army is, it is still defender of Pakistan, and what these Indians love is what we start criticizing our own army…

Now these Indians were there, asking the role of Pak-Army right after 9/11.. they were begging for it, as this have allowed them to invade Pakistan… so its not the army we should be worried about.. it is knowing who is your enemy and what he is doing to kill you as this is what India is aiming since its inception.