Pakistan started the 1965 war

aam_bandha · September 18, 2009, 8:23pm

Like the great general in East Pakistan ... you are also hoping that the dragon will come to your rescue ... no chance ... stick to the topic & from what i see you haven't got much to add :D

So now where do you stand ... did Pakistan start the war in 1965 ?

Punjabee_in_USA · September 18, 2009, 8:23pm

There is another thread in WA for that purpose. I know you want to digress from this thread which has the former Pak NSA admitting what Pakis dont want to hear, but I dont :)

mo293 · September 18, 2009, 8:26pm

First it was the source, then its just opinion, then China and now digression…

hey can I use your logic, its not official its just an opinion of an individual…

mo293 · September 18, 2009, 8:27pm

Tell me genius, who crossed the IB... Or you gona beat around the bush? We sending freedom fighters across LOC, you think its act of war like 1965?

aam_bandha · September 18, 2009, 8:40pm

It was Pakistan army regulars who crossed into Kashmir ..... this is a fact ... known to the whole world and accepted by Pakistanis too ..... now you dont want to belive that what can i do ....

In any case LOC is not something that you can cross, for whatever reasons ... it is UN demarcated line .... but then when has Pakistan adhered to UN resolutions ...

Dont know what Ayub was smoking when he thought of this plan. But he had his complusions ... after all he had to stay in power.

mo293 · September 18, 2009, 8:46pm

You are dodging the question for obvious reason and going in circles. In 65 when we send in intruders you cross IB.. Now you do 10 month long chakka dance at the border and crawl back in your hole, see the difference...

As one Indian puts it, it goes like this:- India will never ever dare go to war with pakistan again. Do you know what it means?

aam_bandha · September 18, 2009, 8:51pm

So where did these "intruders" go ... if they were into Pakistani territory fine .... but did they ... that is the question.

As regards India daring to go to war with Pakistan ....hmmm ... let me dwell on it .. and check on the history of last "war" :D

mo293 · September 18, 2009, 9:44pm

Living in the past again, EH! , never touch the IB never that is the message or you know what happened during the last 10 month long chakka dance.

Med911 · September 19, 2009, 3:03am

Im shocked that an idiot who thinks an image from ww2 is a pic of Indian cowards, would even know what harakiri is!

Arleitter · September 19, 2009, 4:04am

    Ghazi met its fate as it deserved.Now we have placed a victory memorial  at Vizag,where it was sunk,for the generations to see .  :)

Anyway Mr.Zafar Muhammad Khan and 92 others gone down with history .

Arleitter · September 19, 2009, 4:06am

What do you mean by Harakiri?It has got a business to do ,not just with WWII.Probably you are talking about Kamikaze???????

afishcurry · September 24, 2009, 8:56pm

Re: Pakistan started the 1965 war

I watch pakistani news channles every now and then columnist in defence of their patriotism mention how they still toe the army line of India being the aggresor in 1965 war despite fully knowing how it was pakistan who started the war.. this they mention everytime military establishment questions the patroitism of pakistani media

afishcurry · September 24, 2009, 8:58pm

Re: Pakistan started the 1965 war

OperationM Guibraltr that's what it was.. actually Z A bhutto fooled ayub khan by cliamign he has tested watres through dilpomact and India would nto widen the circle fo war even if pakistani crossed border in kashmir..

afishcurry · September 24, 2009, 9:04pm

I am not sure abotu the veracity fo those numbers but I still would say izzat ki bhukh bhikh ki roti se kahin achchi hai.. given whole pakistani cabinet keeps roaming aroudn the world with katora in hand ( you knwo pak needs aid of 100 Billion aajkal beggars give amount that they need as alms) i would not be proud of anything if I were a pakistani.. bhikh mang ke khoya khane mein koi izzat nahin hai bhai..

India too used to bhikhari nation till 1994 then idnian govt made a contious decision that govt will no longer spread hands for bhikh and I am proud of that.. Faka karan pare to kareneg par bhikh aur nahin mangege and this fact alone puts india much ahead of pakistan on any index

mo293 · September 25, 2009, 5:30pm

Wrong on all counts, India was not a bhooka and nanga with a deep begging bowl till 1994 but still is. India has a huge charity sector with US/UK/EU the biggest contributor to this starving nation...

Ah yes but one must first comprehend and then try to diifrentiate between, Loans, aid, grants and charity.... When it comes to charities bharat matha is the queen of the planet. But then living in glass houses and throwing stones is nothing out of the ordinary for Indians.

Reason · September 25, 2009, 8:02pm

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why do we not believe that one Pakistani solider was equal to ten indian soldiers?
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Because it is a dangerous myth that leads to fantasies of military superiority over India when in fact India is far stronger. When President Nixon tried to explain to General Khan the military realities in order to get Pakistan to cut its losses, Yahya's response was to cite the myth of Pakistani soliders being far superior than India, so much superior that they could overcome India's far larger size. Back then the military balance was closer since India received Soviet weapons and Pakistan more advanced American weapons. Today they both have access to the same type of weapons and India's economy is booming while Pakistan is on the cusp of being a failed state.

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. In '71 Indira showed what India can do and it took all of 14 days to bring the Pakistani army to its knees .... that my friend is history ......
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Pakistanis often complain about "Amreeka" but guess who threatened India to not dismember the rest of Pakistan (which it believed was Gandhi's intent) in 71' and thereby saved Pakistan's existence?

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Indians like to throw themself in the same league as China but there is no comparasion never was and never will be in any area except population
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This is another example of Pakistanis not accepting reality--at their detriment. India is estimated to equal the size of the US economy in four decades and become a superpower. Pakistan, assuming Islamists don't cause it to disintegrate, is growing very slow compared to rising countries. In 2050, according to a prestigious Goldman Sachs projection, India's economy will be 19 times larger than Pakistan's. India's per capita GDP is on par with Pakistan today; in 2050 it will be thrice that of Pakistan's.

Pakistanis need to wake up and realize what is going on and make the necessary changes. India and Pakistan have the same history, very similar cultures and were about equal development-wise for four decades. One is rising rapidly and the other on the brink of becoming a failed state.

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So long India plays call girl for US to contain the dragon bharat will be agood girl with all goodies.

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How can it contain China if it is not even in China's league? Notice that the US is turned to India, not Japan, to be the chief check on China. It is because the US recognizes that India will be far stronger than Japan in a few decades.

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India is already playing one... From a USSR/Russkie whore to US Call Girl is an open secret.

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This is ridiculous talk. Countries have all sorts of relationships with other nations. Is Pakistan a "whore" for Saudi Arabia? Pakistan is "leasing" half a million acres of farmland to the Saudis to produce food for Saudis (why doesn't Saudi Arabia just import what is grown by Pakistani farmers?), does not recognize Israel because the Arabs don't (while the Arabs recognize and trade with India. Pakistan is getting played like a fool on Israel. Its stance does nothing for it and only has driven Israel and its technology into India's arms.), sent pilots to fight Israel on behalf of the Arabs (note that the Arabs did not send pilots or cut off oil to India in 65' or 71'), allows Saudi Arabia to flood Pakistan with a network of schools aimed at promoting the Saudi ideology, etc.

MOHAMMAD_JAWAAD · September 26, 2009, 12:45pm

PAKISTANIS ARE R ROCKING ALL OVER THE WORLD.
WORLD'S BEST PILOT MM ALAM BELONGS TO PAKISTAN
HE CRUSHED 17 indian fighter planes IN A SINGLE FLIGHT WHICH IS STILL A WORLD RECORD........

Med911 · September 28, 2009, 4:13am

How can Pakistan have been the aggressor when it was the HINDUstanis who had invaded and were illegally occupying Kashmir?!?!?!

By retarded Indian logic, the Americans were the invaders on D day aswell!

India BULL CRAP at it finest...

Slickstar · September 28, 2009, 8:51am

Re: Pakistan started the 1965 war

Even if Pak did start the war, how is anyone on this forum responsible for it?

afishcurry · September 30, 2009, 5:57am

BEggars think whole world is beggar..

Try to understand the difference some organization working in India on their own which they do everywhere and pakistani cabinet roaming around the world with begging bowl are nto the same thing..
One is charity where a charitable person helps people in distress another is a beggar nation's beggar cabinet roaming around and actually askking for bhikh..

I knew you have limited ability to comprehend..

PS: No doubt India still has problmes but very fact that it has stopped begging puts it on pedestal as compared to the beggar cabinet beggar govt and hence the beggar nation