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once arabs are stocked up and you have to sit on the negotiation table sweating, then you can deal with the 'minor' threat from within.
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arabs have identified pakistan as its prefered future source. that much is obvious, and you know pakistan is working to increase military exports.
as for 20 years behined, i'll let you believe what you want although theres only three countries making their own cruise missiles and pakistan is one of them.
if arabs were stocked up with latest gizmos from west, why do you rate pakistan stonger? arabs are not sold the precious systems and as we saw in labanon there is no invincibility of these systems anyway.
I rate Pakistan stronger because Arabs have a lot of expensive Western toys but no idea how to use them.
Saudis are gonna buy 75 Euro Fighters, a 5th Generation Fighter from Europe.
But our pilots in their rickety F-16 can out maneuvers the Saudis
As for Arabs relying on Pakistan as a source for Weapons.
Besides the West, the Arabs can rely on China and Russia for their weapons.
I highly doubt Arabs are gonna rely on Pakistan for weapons. Maybe training.
Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Africa is where we should market our Weapons.
Basically poor countries. As long as Arabs have oil, they r gonna get expensive toys from the West with which we can't compete
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^open your eyes. the fact that the west, russia and china remain unreliable suppliers should slap you in the face. arabs want a prefered allweather partner. the defence co-operation deals and the rate new ones are being signed should also indicate building of a new strategic alliance.
the fact is even today pakistan can compete. the process of idigenisation of weapons by pak forces shows the level of confidence of mastering technology. indigenisation doesnt pay unless you intent to mass produce and that means export. arabs want to become 'impregnable' and im sure youve heard that word before. allot can be learned about technology through that one word alone.
pakistan is currently marketing small arms and an emerging supplier. small arms manufacture is already fully indigenised. indigenisation wont stop there
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^open your eyes. the fact that the west, russia and china remain unreliable suppliers should slap you in the face. arabs want a prefered allweather partner. the defence co-operation deals and the rate new ones are being signed should also indicate building of a new strategic alliance.
My eyes are open but you are blinded by nationalism to see reality.
Arabs are not going to rely on Pakistan for their weapons, not any time soon.
Besides the West, China and Russia remain far more better alternatives than Pakistan. I mean what can Pakistan offer to Arabs which they don't already have?
We manufacture G3 Assault Rifle, which was obsolete and replaced by the German Army 20 Years ago. Our Machine Gun is a modified MG-42. The Same MG-42 used by the German Army in World War II.
Arabs have the MG-249, the latest American Machine Gun. Their infantry armies are equipped with M4A1 gas powered assault rifles.
Even our great success story, the Al-Khalid Tank. We have yet to have one Arab buyer interested in that Tank. Saudis showed interest only to use these Tanks as cannon fodder behind their main Abrams Tanks. And even then the Saudis didn't buy them.
And we are buying Weapons from the Saudis. Pakistan recently purchased like 200 Al-Fahd Armor Personnel Carriers. And you are talking about selling Arabs weapons.
As long as Arabs have oil money, they will always go for big ticket weapon purchases from the West, China and Russia.
the fact is even today pakistan can compete. the process of idigenisation of weapons by pak forces shows the level of confidence of mastering technology. indigenisation doesnt pay unless you intent to mass produce and that means export.
Sure export them, but Arabs won't buy them because they have better alternatives.
We should export our Tanks, Assault Rifles, Armor Personnel Carriers, Fighters to Africa, and other countries in Asia.
arabs want to become 'impregnable' and im sure youve heard that word before. allot can be learned about technology through that one word alone.
pakistan is currently marketing small arms and an emerging supplier. small arms manufacture is already fully indigenised. indigenisation wont stop there
Those small Arms are obsolete by today's standards and I dont think the Arabs will be interested in Arming themselves with weapons which are 20 years out of date.
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You might think of an ass to be juicy when it is of Zionists.
As far as I am concerned, I obviously disagree with most Arabs. They are dying to accept Israel so that they could look GOOD in front of their masters in Washington. It is many Arabs who call this issue an Arab issue, while I call it Islamic issue.
And it is YOU who is bending in front of Zionists so much so that you are willing to give up Islam’s holy land to its enemies.
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^^ I am not bending for anyone. I am just calling as I see it. Both sides made mistakes and now its time re-concile.
Palestinians should get West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem with all settlements dismantled.
Israel should go back to 1967 Borders but refugees should only settle west bank and gaza.
Both sides have a give and take.
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Israel was beaten in Lebanon last year by Hezbollah, which indicates what a weakling the zionist state really is.
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^^ I am not bending for anyone. I am just calling as I see it. Both sides made mistakes and now its time re-concile.
Palestinians should get West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem with all settlements dismantled.
Israel should go back to 1967 Borders but refugees should only settle west bank and gaza.
Both sides have a give and take.
The Israelis feel they have a madate from God himself... To back down would be betraying god.
The Jews are never gonna give up East Jerusalem, and they are never gonna return to their original borders.. Particularly when they have that wall circling and by default, making their current borders permanent.
But if they do accept what your proposing, then everyone will recognize them, but until they do, and I dount they ever will, we have no need to dirty our hands.
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Other peoples also say they have a mandate from God, but they are not behaving as horribly and with such greed as the Israelites. Is the horror and persecution they have perpetrated against the native Palestinian Arabs not against the wishes of God?
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The Israelis feel they have a madate from God himself... To back down would be betraying god. The Jews are never gonna give up East Jerusalem, and they are never gonna return to their original borders.. Particularly when they have that wall circling and by default, making their current borders permanent. But if they do accept what your proposing, then everyone will recognize them, but until they do, and I dount they ever will, we have no need to dirty our hands.
They are....
70% of them are willing to give up West Bank and East Jerusalem if it means that the Palestinians are willing to make a peace deal.
Only the Jewish hardliners are against this, but their numbers are less than 10%
You already have a preconceived notion that Israel is not going to give up West Bank and East Jerusalem and how is that not stereotyping the Israelis.
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Israel was beaten in Lebanon last year by Hezbollah, which indicates what a weakling the zionist state really is.
If that is the case, why don't the arabs join up and destroy Israel?
Pakistan lost 1,000 soldiers in a gureilla war against Pashtun Fighters...
Conventional military doctrine never does well against a gureilla force
Whether its Napolean's Army in Spain in 1810, the British in Afghanistan in the 1840's, or the Germans in Yugoslavia and Greece during World War II, the French in Vietnam and Algeria during the 1950's, Americans in Vietnam in the 1960's, USSR in Afghanistan in the 1980's, Israelis in Southern Lebanon in the 1990's, India in Kashmir, or Russia in Chechenya, or Colombian Army fighting against FARC and AUC or Sri Lanka fighting against LTTE.
The only way to defeat a Gureilla force is mass saturation bombardment which the USA did during the US-Philippine War of 1912 or what the British did in Malay in the 1950's.
Another way is to create an auxillary force to counter them such as CIA creating AUC in Colombia in 1997 to fight FARC or CIA arming the Contra Rebels in Nicaragua in the 1980's.
So don't judge the Israeli Army by its performance in Lebanon.
That will be among the most stupidest military things a general could do.
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Even the Israelites have conceded that they lost, and have been beating themselves up about it ever since. Talk about being more loyal than the Emperor. 
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If that is the case, why don't the arabs join up and destroy Israel?
Pakistan lost 1,000 soldiers in a gureilla war against Pashtun Fighters...
Conventional military doctrine never does well against a gureilla force
Whether its Napolean's Army in Spain in 1810, the British in Afghanistan in the 1840's, or the Germans in Yugoslavia and Greece during World War II, the French in Vietnam and Algeria during the 1950's, Americans in Vietnam in the 1960's, USSR in Afghanistan in the 1980's, Israelis in Southern Lebanon in the 1990's, India in Kashmir, or Russia in Chechenya, or Colombian Army fighting against FARC and AUC or Sri Lanka fighting against LTTE.
The only way to defeat a Gureilla force is mass saturation bombardment which the USA did during the US-Philippine War of 1912 or what the British did in Malay in the 1950's.
Another way is to create an auxillary force to counter them such as CIA creating AUC in Colombia in 1997 to fight FARC or CIA arming the Contra Rebels in Nicaragua in the 1980's.
So don't judge the Israeli Army by its performance in Lebanon.
That will be among the most stupidest military things a general could do.
You sound way to bias here... You kill your credibility by sounding like an Israeli Chamcha.
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^^ how do i sound biased?
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They are....
70% of them are willing to give up West Bank and East Jerusalem if it means that the Palestinians are willing to make a peace deal.
Only the Jewish hardliners are against this, but their numbers are less than 10%
You already have a preconceived notion that Israel is not going to give up West Bank and East Jerusalem and how is that not stereotyping the Israelis.
We will see what they are willing to give up...
I havent been raised on any preconcienved notions on Israel... I make my conclusion based on what I see going on... And all I see are a people under occupation, living under the spectre of an overwhelming military power being armed by America at the expense of inocent people... I see nation that hordes water for itself, a nation that by international law is occupying land illegally, are building a wall that brings untold misery to palestinian people, a state that mentally tortures and humiliates people EVERYDAY! A nation with no sense of humanity that treats people like cattle... These people have learned nothing from their own holocaust and go out of their way to extend their misery on to others.
Its a cruel and evil nation who has earned no right to live in that land.
Go and read about how people have been abused by these Israelis at checkpoints, how women have been forced to give birth at checkpoints because Israelis wont let them thru to hospital... Read how more water is spent on watering gardens in illegal settlements then is used to by a family in refugee camps.
Im not the only one who feels this way, there are MILLIONS, literally who feel the same. So you conclusion that only Pakistanis are biased against Israel is a full of holes... Unfortunately, those who disagree with anything Israel says or does are quickly silenced by being called anti semetic or unprofessional... Much in the same way as your doing, accusing people of being brainwashed... Gimme a f'n break man! I have been around long enough to know all about Pakistani mindset, and im not part of it.
In the end, I have no love for Israel, Israel can go to hell!
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^^ how do i sound biased?
Everything you say is pro Israel, you practicaly fall over yourself trying to defend them. Israel should hire you as their spokesperson. Its as if they have done NO wrong ever! A nation that lives on oppresion of peoples rights and then hides it and pretends to be innocent and your defending them as though your getting you Israeli citizenship tommrow.
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^^ really?
care to elaborate.....
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^^ really?
care to elaborate.....
No I cant elaborate... Read your own posts.
Stop being so damn condescening for once.