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No one is stopping you from posting. I hardly have the power or right to do that. But please spare us the conspiracy theories.
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^they were his personal experiences as he stated and not conspiracy theory as u grasped.
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this thread is so laaaaaaaaaaaame.. lies, conspiracy theories, stories.. it's leading us nowhere.. be kind enough to share somethin relevant otherwise i don't see a reason to continue this thread..
Why are you people so dumb?
Is it so hard to believe that Jinnah, by citing Islam, could possibly be invoking the universal values espoused not only by Islam but by all religions? No where in this sentance is he calling for a state based on religious doctrine. The problem for people with little understanding such as you, is that you take the man out of context, without understanding him as a whole.
Jinnah is not advocating a theocratic state, he is advocating for a state based on** equal in rights, dignity and self-respect! **
His mistake was in thinking that people were intelligent enough to grasp the meaning of his statment.
Jinnah is not advocating a theocratic state; and quite righty islam is not based on theocracy. (in otherwords priesthood)
you missed a speach or i think you deleted while quoting me:
- Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.
Quote:
The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims --Hindus, Christians, and Parsis --but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan.
Nice probaganda video, however it didn’t really explain how the Ahmadis are supporting Israel. Or do you want to tell me that Inviting the Israeli Prime Minister for dinner at one of their Missionary centers is somehow against Islam? Thought we are supposed to be hospitable…20% of the Israeli citizens are Arabs and 16% of the Israeli population is MUSLIM and loyal to Israel and even serve in the IDF. So If I go by your logic, Muslims are “supporting” Israel. LOL
Try again.
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And i thought that this is about the poor sect of Pakistan who has been suffering from last 60 years or so... 90% of Pakistani belong to that sect it is called common Pakistani....
AS far as Ahmadi are concerned.. we have far greater and important issues in Pakistan then a minority with miss-leading believes... Period
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^Agreed. :k:
Nice probaganda video, however it didn't really explain how the Ahmadis are supporting Israel
thank one of your qadiani friends coz i didnt make it
however it didn't really explain how the Ahmadis are supporting Israel. Or do you want to tell me that Inviting the Israeli Prime Minister **for dinner** at one of their Missionary centers is somehow against Islam?.
"[1] O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they *disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, **your Lord ? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim ? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way. *[2] If they have the upper hand of you, they will be your foes, and will stretch out their hands and their tongues toward you with evil (intent), and they long for you to disbelieve." **- Qur'an 6:1-2
yes
Thought we are supposed to be hospitable...20% of the Israeli citizens are Arabs and 16% of the Israeli population is MUSLIM and loyal to Israel and even serve in the IDF. So If I go by your logic, Muslims are "supporting" Israel. LOL
some muslims are; along with some alleged muslims :(
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Ashoka Bhai zindabaad! 
"[1] O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they *disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, **your Lord ? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim ? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way. *[2] If they have the upper hand of you, they will be your foes, and will stretch out their hands and their tongues toward you with evil (intent), and they long for you to disbelieve." **- Qur'an 6:1-2
This is your proof? LOL I thought you're going to try harder this time.
What is the difference between you and those Islamophobes who like to misinterpret this exact verse to prove that Islam is an intolerant religion?
We are only discouraged to be friends with people who fight us because of our religion, i.e because we are Muslims, not because of political or territorial issues. And like I have already mentioned before, 16% of the Israeli citizens are Muslim. So this isn't really a religious issue.
It's Surah Al-Mumtahanah BTW and not Surah Al-Anam
And Faris Udin, since you seem to agree with Ashoka. What are you doing in a country full of your "enemies"?
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What is the difference between you and those Islamophobes who like to misinterpret this exact verse to prove that Islam is an intolerant religion?
i believe in Quran (correct translation) regardless of any ones opinion
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We are only discouraged to be friends with people who fight us because of our religion, i.e because we are Muslims, not because of political or territorial issues. And like I have already mentioned before, 16% of the Israeli citizens are Muslim. So this isn't really a religious issue.
slightly contradicting statement there chum!
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O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they *disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, **your Lord ? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim ? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way. *[2] If they have the upper hand of you, they will be your foes, and will stretch out their hands and their tongues toward you with evil (intent), and they long for you to disbelieve **Qur'an 6:1-2
can some one please reconfirm or correct me regarding the reference number of this verse; coz i cant come on line again :)
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^Mr Zapatista… The same questions can be fired at you… 
And yes i’m in my enemies country… ever heard of know your enemy? 
Besides how many of the 16 percent of Muslims in Isreal actually support Isreal? And if indeed they do support Isreal then how can they be true Muslims?
Look even in the early days of Islam such Muslims were Munafiks… not Muslims ever heard of Abdullah bin Ubey? Or ever heard of the Riddah wars? Wars fought between two parties who both claimed to be Muslims…
Also tell me after the Triumph over Mecca whom did the Prophet of Islam choose to stay with?
Indeed he stayed with the Medinans who were at his side always… despite his love for his own city of Mecca he rejected it to be close to those who loved him most.
i believe in Quran (correct translation) regardless of any ones opinion
So do you want to tell me that Christians and Jews are your enemies? So are the western nations, which have majority Christian population right to declare Muslims as their enemies?
slightly contradicting statement there chum!
There is no contradiction. The verse you quoted said this
"*disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah"
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The verse is self-explanatory, but since you have problems getting it. It says that you should not befriend people who drive you out because you believe in Allah i.e. because you are a Muslim. Get it?
So do you think that the Israel-Palestine conflict is a religious conflict? If yes, how come the 16% of Israeli Muslims can practice their religion freely and enjoy the same rights their their Jewish countrymen enjoy?
me one please reconfirm or correct me regarding the reference of this verse; coz i cant come on line again :)
So is it right for me to say that you aren't even sure about this verse yourself and still posted it to make a point? You know we shouldn't spread things If we aren't sure about it, right?
@Faris Udeen I don't have a clue what you are babbling about.
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Then stop feeding on Ahmedi sylabus and singing from the zionist hymn sheet and go research some real Islamic history before even considering Ahmedi’s as anything more than a cult… and one created to undermine a true faith.
Maybe then you will also be able to speak the language of sense.
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Declaring the people of the country you live in as enemies and yet still keep living with them and enjoying their luxuries, rights and freedom makes a lot of sense. Please stop talking about the language of sense.
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Living in the enemies country is not a problem at all and yeah luxuries you can say that again... i ensure my own people live in much more comfort than i do...
Besides all who know me know that i never spend long in one place. I am Pakistani and bury me or broil me chuck me in deep water i will still be a Pakistani and a Muslim first and foremost.
Besides i came to this country to do a duty and when my time is done i will go back home and that is a mile better than many.
Bsides tell me from where your talking please?
It's one thing to be bold and loyal to your own side... even in your homeland it's another to be as bold in the enemies heartland.
Besides shame on those who succumb to the freedom an luxuries as you call them... i care not for the luxuries, i work for my people.
Kindly tell me where your loyalties lie? Or do you change loyalty with the wind?
Living in the enemies country is not a problem at all and yeah luxuries you can say that again... i ensure my own people live in much more comfort than i do...
Besides all who know me know that i never spend long in one place. I am Pakistani and bury me or broil me chuck me in deep water i will still be a Pakistani and a Muslim first and foremost.
Besides i came to this country to do a duty and when my time is done i will go back home and that is a mile better than many.
Bsides tell me from where your talking please?
It's one thing to be bold and loyal to your own side... even in your homeland it's another to be as bold in the enemies heartland.
Besides shame on those who succumb to the freedom an luxuries as you call them... i care not for the luxuries, i work for my people.
Kindly tell me where your loyalties lie? Or do you change loyalty with the wind?
How long have you been living in the UK now and what is the duty you are doing here? Can't you do your duty in one of the Muslim countries? Is your duty to maybe make lots of money here so that you can live an even more luxuries life back in Pakistan? What exactly is the duty you are talking about. Just wondering.
Also what I'd like to know is If you still have the Pakistani Passport? Or do you own both, British and Pakistani nationality?
I'm from Germany and I'm ofcourse loyal to the country I was born in and live in. Just as it is prescribed to me by my religion.