i agree with u Changez like.Spock the army govt did a few things for the betterment of education like introducing new course in schools but thats all. and we need alot more than dat. moreover army generals are heading educational schools and are taking over unis which in my opnion is the welfare of generals only. i think educational instuites should be led by prof. n docs not by generals.
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i agree with u Changez like.Spock the army govt did a few things for the betterment of education like introducing new course in schools but thats all. and we need alot more than dat. moreover army generals are heading educational schools and are taking over unis which in my opnion is the welfare of generals only. i think educational instuites should be led by prof. n docs not by generals.
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Remember how the supervision of UET Lahore by a retired army general got rid of those strikes and made sure students graduated in four years... But yes, there are some instances where it is not particularly useful to have a military guy running the show
Do all the governments around the world face this dilemma or is this the very nature of PAKI government (military AND civil) to suck the roots of their on homeland? Will we EVER come out of this? Will we EVER do something useful for the development of the COUNTRY if given power? I just wish that someone finally come into power who FEELS for his HOME rather than indulging in SELF GRATIFICATION through country's resources.
I wish the day would come when someone HONEST to his land come into power & get rid of all those @$$e$ sucking THEIR OWN BLOOD. And get a few but high-principled people to work with him who sincerely wish to see their country's name excel in ALL the fields in the rest of the world.
I dont know. Scientific research? That's why I asked if someone could tell me what options I would have. Anybody??
Ok later..
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The NewWannaBe, if you really want to do something, then its better that you do on your own with help of local "elite" class rather than govt.
What area do you want to contribute in? What kind of setup you want to establish? etc.
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Remember how the supervision of UET Lahore by a retired army general got rid of those strikes and made sure students graduated in four years... But yes, there are some instances where it is not particularly useful to have a military guy running the show
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Yes they did and now in UET army kids are being selected with average grades ovewr civilian kids . they already had EME, and now UET goes to them too. this is totally unfair for the civilians.
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Yes they did and now in UET army kids are being selected with average grades ovewr civilian kids . they already had EME, and now UET goes to them too. this is totally unfair for the civilians.
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Aasha, I am a student of E&ME college, and your remark about EME is totally absurd. I am a civil student, and took the test along with all the other civilians. The test was checked by scantrons, and was pretty accurate. There are very few seats reserved for Paying Cadets, and some for Gentlemen cadet, which is understandable because they have to join the army, and the army also needs some technical cadets, and putting them into competition with the civilian kids would make sure they dont get selected.
To answer a few questions:
how not to reform universities
One of the biggest blows to Pakistan’s education sector was the Nationalisation of education institutions done by ZAB, at that time Pakistani education institutions and private sector companies were some of the best in the world. Many of those organisations would ahve moved on to R&D in time. Secondly as far as social sciences are concerned, because of the politcisation of teaching durinG Zias time…research effectively stopped. Teachers known for independent thinking were targetted and many fled the country.
In more advanced fields you have PHD’s who have ended up being posted in rural villages as teachers…and people ignored because of their belief system.
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Aasha, I am a student of E&ME college, and your remark about EME is totally absurd. I am a civil student, and took the test along with all the other civilians. The test was checked by scantrons, and was pretty accurate. There are very few seats reserved for Paying Cadets, and some for Gentlemen cadet, which is understandable because they have to join the army, and the army also needs some technical cadets, and putting them into competition with the civilian kids would make sure they dont get selected.
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i dont know when u got ur degree from EME, but things sure have changed. i'm not saying that the army kids who enter engg colleges are dumb but they sure have a less merit than other civilians and they are given preferences over the civilians. they are a few students i know in UET, who got average 70 percent marks in FSc and are studying there coz of army background. and lets not forget UET is one of the top universities of pak known for its merit.
p.s p.s: dont think i'm againgst army coz i'm a civilian. i'm an army kid myself.
I think Pakistan's Science and Technology sector entailing research, development and implementation is growing at an organic rate which is slower than that of its counterparts, namely S.Korea, India etc. Perhaps a lot of this could be due to 'capital' resources being funnelled into defence technologies.
But perhaps there is a particular asset that Pakistan has that can inject new fervour, exhileration and acceleration into its science and technology remit. The Pakistani expatriate living abroad and indeed 2nd and 3rd generation academics and professionals of Pakistani origin have a major part to play in this. The availability of extensive research facilities abroad does not hinder someone taking on a project and implementing it in Pakistan.
All implementation difficulties in Pakistan aside, a very good example would be a university project in developing flat packed housing that could be premanufactured and installed withing hours for several 'basti' neighborhoods in Pakistan. Looking at various designs, materials, costs and much more. Not only is it a learning experience but its doing it for an overall good cause. Another example is research and development in solar technology and much much more. The road is challenging and the projects are out there for people to grab.
Signs from Allah are always apparent from current events. The example of the earthquake in Bam really goes to show that there is a lot work that is needed from Muslims WORLDWIDE and that everyone has a part to play and that perhaps we may be accountable for inactivity on the day of judgement. Allah knows best :-)
Salam, your concern is commendable. I will make various enquiries for you but please give me some time as I have exams in a week's time!
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OK people,
I need to know HOW I can work for any of Pakistan's scientifict development programmes? What options do I have? I've never been in this field before but I KNOW I CAN do it.
If anyone can provide me with information about how I can go about it. And WHO I should contact who could take my ambition & interest seriously, I would much appreciate.
I am outside Pakistan at the mo but dont mind moving back if I can be accepted in a real challenging environment which can offer me opportunities to create / develop something useful for my Pakistan.
I have science education that should be of help. Please someone let me know. Who or which government dept. I should contact while Im outside PK.
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