Pakistan says Saudi asked for warplanes, warships and soldiers

What happened to their own weapons bought from the US? Do they know how to operate them?

Pakistan says Saudi asked for warplanes, warships and soldiers

Arabia has asked Pakistan for military aircraft, warships and soldiers, Pakistani Defense Minister Khawaja Asif said on Monday, at the start of a parliamentary debate on whether Pakistan should get involved in a Saudi-led campaign in Yemen.

Saudi Arabia, the Gulf’s main Sunni Muslim power, has asked Sunni-majority Pakistan to join a Saudi-led military coalition that began conducting air strikes last month against largely Shi’ite Houthi forces in Yemen.

Sharif has in turn hedged his bets. He has said repeatedly he will defend any threat to Saudi Arabia’s “territorial integrity” without defining what action such a threat might provoke.

“Saudi Arabia has asked for combat planes, warships and soldiers,” Asif, who also visited Turkey to discuss Yemen, said, without specifying where Saudi wanted them deployed.

“Both Pakistan and Turkey are concerned at the overthrow of a legitimate government of Yemen by use of force by non-state actors … Pakistan and Turkey agreed that the continuing crisis in Yemen could plunge the region into turmoil.”

Arif Rafiq, a Washington-based adjunct scholar with the Middle East Institute, said earlier Pakistan was hoping to satisfy Saudi expectations at a “minimal” level.

“They’re unlikely to be part of any meaningful action inside Yemen,” he told Reuters. “Maybe they will reinforce the border.”

Sharif owes the Saudis. Endemic tax dodging means Pakistan needs regular injections of foreign cash to avoid economic meltdown. Last year, the Saudis gave Pakistan $1.5 billion. Saudi Arabia also sheltered Sharif after he was overthrown in a 1999 military coup.

But joining the Saudi-led coalition could inflame a sectarian conflict at home where about a fifth of the population is Shi’ite and attacks on Shi’ites are increasing, further destabilizing the nuclear-armed nation of 180 million people.

Pakistani intervention would probably also anger Shi’ite power Iran, which shares a long and porous border in a region roiling with its own separatist insurgency. Pakistan’s other main borders are with arch enemy India and Afghanistan, where Pakistani troops are conducting anti-militant operations. The Iranian foreign minister will visit Pakistan this week.

NOT SAUDI’S HANDMAIDEN

Pakistan has a long record of contributing troops to U.N. peacekeeping missions but public opinion is also largely against intervention in any Saudi-led action in Yemen.

“It must be remembered that Pakistan is not Saudi Arabia’s handmaiden, doing its bidding at the flick of a wrist,” said a Friday editorial in the Express Tribune.

Many analysts say the military, which has ruled Pakistan for more than half its existence since independence, has the final call. The generals have been silent.

Pakistan has nearly 1.5 million active soldiers and reserves, but about a third of those are tied up with operations along the Afghan border. The bulk of the remaining forces face off with nuclear-armed India. Others are executing the government’s new counter-terrorism plan.

Even though Saudi Arabia is a “special friend” of both the government and the military, Pakistani intervention in Yemen might be unwise, said retired Major General Mahmud Ali Durrani, a former national security adviser.

“If it was to defend Saudi Arabia against aggression, in spite of our commitments, I think we would stretch to sending troops,” he said. “To send our troops to a third country - I think that would be foolhardy.”

(Corrects “illegitimate” to “a legitimate” in paragraph 5)

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WOW, why are defending saudi???

And the news of Pakistan involvement where we shouldn’t even be in the first place has gotten big, it’s even on the BBC News? Why would we wanna damage relations with Iran for our Saudi princes huh

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Because KSA is the biggest employer for Pakistanis and expatriates living there send the largest amount of foreign exchange to Pakistan in the world. Any deviations from the demand of KSA, KSA has full right to kick out all Pakistanis living there, making Pakistan’s economy crippled. By default, any one talking against the wishes of KSA are against the existance of Pakistan .

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Don’t saudi also treat Pakistanis like slaves in those country, i just don’t want to infer in a conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia, Yemen isn’t our problem.

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Agreed. But who work there get enough for their labor and slavery to help kith and kins in Pakistan. They are still far better of in KSA as compared to unemployed or under employed in Pakistan.

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Is PMLN getting isolated on this issue? Almost all the opposition including JUI and JI seem to be opponents of sending the forces to Saudia.

Re: Pakistan says Saudi asked for warplanes, warships and soldiers

Ask likes of Zardari to to bring back the looted wealth, invest it in the country to create mass employment opportunities and you won’t find yourself proudly saying ‘oh well, we are beggers and will remain so, thus we cannot we choosers. So let’s do everyone’s dirty work for some perks’. The young generation of Pakistan must make a noise against such slave mentality. The future belongs to them.

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Saudia hasnt even been attacked..so there is no question of defending 'em.

They are the oppressors, the aggressors, so basically it was the question of being a part of their oppression or no. I think the answer should be obvious as reflected in the GS poll majority result as well but the dilemma is who cares wut people think!

Reminds me of a urdu phrase often written in the back of Rickhaw and trucks in Pakistan #DollarKiTalaash](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=DollarKiTalaash)

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I saw that coming.

Most of saudi military hardware is from US. I was sure that US will not allow Pak military personals get into the cockpit of its F15 and Eurofighter(UK) or its modern attack helicopters or submarines etc. The risk for them is too big for a Pak Pilots to get to know the plane and transferring on the knowledge to the Chinese who are masters are reverse engineering.

For the record - I am absolutely not a fan of Pak joining this war ‘to defend the holy land’. Now that we are in it we have to see how can Pak get the best out of it, i.e in addition to pleasing the al sauds masters.

Pak should go in with all of its battle gear including its air force, warplanes and even its submarines and take a lead in the offensive from sea, air and land to get good battle experience for its army, air force and navy. Pak has not been in an all out war since 71 and a major conflict beside Kashmir border skirmishes around kargil and in 2002 but even they could not have provided an opportunities as good as this one to test its military and provide the real war like experience.

PAF could do with building a profile for its JF17 and instead of going to the war with its fleet of F16 they should go in with JF17 for following reasons.

  • It will provide JF17 an opportunity to show off its operational capabilities and can provide very valuable data back to Pak/China which can be used it improving future variants of the plane.

  • Hopefully performance of the JF17 will attract some buyers from third world countries that can not afford more expensive toys and this will bring much needed $$ to Pak and will be a good sign for RD of different weaponry systems.

  • Using JF17 will also result in PAF’s keeping F16’s fresh and not put too many miles of their aging bodies. Still a big number of our F16’s are early generation ones and they have had much needed midlife upgrades (MLU) but it would still be a better idea to not to out many miles on those old frames.

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I am hearing that masters are also on board for sending troops to saudi…not to fight in yemen but at least to send troops to saudi.

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It would be interesting to see how this pans out…what can the government do to convince the opposition. Btw one point that smq raised was genuine regarding the status of the strikes as unsc has not approved them.

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well if army is on board, i doubt PMLN cares about parliament…plus PMLN is not even trying to convince parliament

today’s session on yemen was a joke … pathetic

no serious discussion, nothing

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People have been spewing and spreading so many ‘rumours’ for past three weeks. Fair to say it’s nothing but meaningless chitter chatter.

In the end, Pakistan will probably end up negotiating a middle position and find a way to appease Saudi Arabia without getting involved in the fighting.

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So, the biggest importer of toys doesn’t know how to play with them?

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the government will need to make a decision soon, or bring to the fore if they are already a part of the coalition. The defence ministers speeches don’t give out even an iota of the governments policy in this regard while talking of Saudias territorial integrity which is not being trampled in any case.

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In fact it should be the opposite, after all it is the same people who do not have vision for real development of Pakistan who are now pushing for Pakistan to join the war otherwise Pakistan will lose its remittances. Pakistani governments should’ve invested in infrastructure, education, law-enforcement and security of the population but they insisted on laptops, cheap-tandoor, yellow-cab and now metro-buses, all the while some parties crying of takht-e-Lahore.

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Not the first time..and for sure not the last time..

http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2014/04/03/Pakistan-guns-for-hire-persian-gulf.aspx?COLLCC=2354736822&

Pakistan’s guns for hire in the Gulf3 April 2014 1:32PM

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When I worked as a Defence Attaché in the Gulf, my local military driver was often not who I thought he was. Resplendent in his dishdasha and with excellent Arabic, I was surprised to find out that he was a Pakistani Baluch. When I asked my interlocutors how many Pakistanis there were in Gulf military forces, the stock answer was always that, while this was common in the past, nowadays nearly all personnel were citizens.
Pakistanis have indeed played important roles in Arab states in the past: a former Pakistani president, Zia ul Haq, commanded a Jordanian formation during the fight against Palestinian groups in 1970 that came to be known as Black September; and thousands of Pakistani troops deployed to Saudi Arabia following both the Iranian revolution and the 1990-91 Gulf War.
Far from being a thing of the past, it would appear that Pakistani links to Gulf security forces remain strong. Reports last week indicated that Bahrain employs 10,000 Pakistanis in its security forces, including 20% of its air force. Pakistani Prime Minister Sharif denied Pakistan was providing troops, but the article said Pakistan provided security personnel to help quell the 2011 sectarian protests. Not officially, mind you, because they had beenrecruited through two of Pakistan’s military welfare organisations.
Gulf states rely to a large degree on expatriate labour, while poor countries such as Pakistan welcome the remittances that such work provides to the home economy. So on the face of it, the employment of Pakistanis in Arab security forces shouldn’t be too much of an issue. The UK still employs several thousand Nepalese Ghurkhas in its army, after all.
But the situation is more complex in the Middle East and the consequences of employing large numbers of Sunni Pakistanis in Gulf states’ security forces, where they may be called upon to quell protests based on sectarian discrimination, are obvious. In the Bahrain case, for example, Bahraini Shi’a complain that, while they are effectively barred from joining their own security forces based on their religion, the government employs Sunnis from countries such as Pakistan to repress them.
Saudi Arabia’s attempts to develop even closer military relations with Pakistan also make strategic sense. Given Riyadh’s nervousness about Iranian expansionism and Washington’s willingness to undertake even a cautious rapprochement with Tehran, locking in a close relationship with a Sunni-majority country on Iran’s border may be a wise investment for the future. The current controversy regarding the abduction of five Iranian border guards and their alleged presence in Pakistan shows just how vulnerable Tehran is to nefarious activity on its borders.
Never willing to miss an opportunity to stick the boot into Pakistan, even the venerable Times of India has bought into the issue of Pakistan’s military relations with the Gulf states with its politically incorrect headline ‘Sunni days for Saudi’s hired gun Pakistan’.

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There is nothing for us in this all , All top brass is for some share of underhand
We can not avoid

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That is not the solution for remittances send by the expatriates. The foreign exchange they send is way above the looted wealth of Zardari. Give this advise to present government including your besharam phuttu leader, master of u turns. And by the way people working in KSA earn this foreign exchange through hard work not begging.