Pakistan`s Stand On Iraq Issue (merged)

At the risk of becoming so much more popular in this Forum ( :D ), my personal opinion is that i would have preferred Pakistan vote against. Surely we have given so much support to the US that they would have understood our doing so, and "allowed" us to. How quickly do they forget. Not just over Afghanistan (that cost the country in terms of its domestic security and unrest/instability) but also vis-a-vis intelligence sharing with the US. Regarding Iraq - i found it slightly strange that the US govt. was pressuring Pakistan to vote on their side; do they not understand or appreciate how many domestic problems that would create for the Pakistani government?

sigh Khair. What's done is done. Pakistan will most likely abstain rather than vote against. For some reason this reminds me of that quote by Khalil Gibran that i used to quote so often, "They died in silence
for humanity had closed its ears to their cry". Now we have placed the pressure upon the other 'swing' countries - Cameroon, Angola, Guinea, etc.

looks like Pakistan is going to abstain..

A senior Pakistani politician says Prime Minister Zafarullah Jamali’s cabinet has taken the decision to abstain.

The cabinet met late on Monday after a parliamentary debate before which Mr Jamali said Islamabad would not support military action.

As one of the Security Council’s 10 non-permanent members, Pakistan has been under pressure to support its key ally, the US, on the crisis.

However, public opinion in Pakistan has been strongly opposed to a war against Iraq, as large street demonstrations have shown.

Popular opposition

Prime Minister Jamali is expected to formally announce the cabinet’s decision later on Tuesday.

This decision will be very well-received in Pakistan

Senator Mushahid Hussain

A senator from Mr Jamali’s PML-Q party, Mushahid Hussain, told the AFP news agency, "It was a unanimous decision. It is a very positive and principled decision.

“It will clearly demonstrate that the democratically elected government of Pakistan has a policy reflecting the aspirations of the people,” he said.

The six-party Islamist coalition, the MMA, which sits in the opposition, led a 200,000-strong anti-war rally on Sunday.

Correspondents say Islamabad is keen to avoid giving the opposition any further opportunity to mobilise opinion against the government.

‘Pragmatic choice’

Pakistan has been key US ally in its war against terror since the launch of US-led operations in Afghanistan.

Mr Jamali is sensitive to critics in the parliament and outside

There has been a ground-swell of opinion in the country against President Pervez Musharraf’s decision to support the US.

The Islamists have exploited this resentment to secure significant electoral gains, raising their political profile and influence.

Correspondents say Mr Jamali’s ruling coalition lacks the majority to ignore its critics in the parliament and on the streets, and an abstention is probably the most pragmatic way ahead for it.

“This decision will be very well-received in Pakistan,” Mr Hussain said on Tuesday

I can live with the abstain..Understandably, the Gov't officials are taking the wide opposition into account while not forgetting our national interest. During these circumstances, it might be best to ignore (better word than 'abstain'). I remember a while back Pres. Mush said that Pakistan already has a lot of prblems to deal with and the whole Iraq issue is just going to add to our headaches. To be sure, the invasion of Iraq will niether be determined or deterred by the Pakistani vote (rather abstention).

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Yes, Pakistan has alot of internal problems. We have to take care of our mess rather than takin' other's mess in our lap.

Pak will abstain according to the PM office.

They will amend the resolution by agreeing on a deadline of somewhere between 3 and 5 weeks. The three swing countries have already said they'll support the resolution with a 3 week deadline instead MAr 17th. And here is the kicker: France will not veto if US manages a majority. That to me does it.

Unless Powell is so ineffective or Bush is so dumb, they got their deal.

I believe this is a good ‘Diplomatic Step’ taken by the Govt. We must keep ourseleves in contact with World Leaders in times of crisis. Isolation is bad!

Hats off, Mr. Kasuri. You’re doin’ a Fantastic job.

France, S. Arabia back Pakistan peace move

ISLAMABAD, March 13: The foreign ministers of France, Saudi Arabia and Canada telephoned Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri on Wednesday and discussed with him the latest developments on the Iraqi situation.

**The foreign ministers supported a peaceful solution to the Iraqi crisis in accordance with the UN Security Council resolutions. **

During the 35-minute conversation with French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin, the two sides agreed on the need to take steps to create unanimity and reduce differences in the international community on the Iraq issue in the interest of multilateralism, international law and world peace, a Foreign Office statement said here on Thursday.

“The two foreign ministers reiterated their position that the problem of Iraq should be resolved peacefully in accordance with the United Nations Security Council resolutions,” the statement said.

Mr Villepin while presenting his country’s standpoint on the Iraqi crisis supported the disarmament of Iraq in a peaceful way through inspection.

According to the statement, the two ministers also exchanged views on bilateral issues and decided to remain in touch on the Iraq situation.

  • SAUDI FM: Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal held a lengthy telephonic conversation with Mr Kasuri. In view of fraternal bilateral relations, Mr Kasuri availed the opportunity to brief Prince Saud on the latest developments with regard to the issue of Iraq in the framework of Security Council and the efforts made by Pakistan to promote a peaceful solution of the crisis.

Mr Kasuri agreed with his Saudi counterpart on the need for a peaceful settlement of the problem to ensure unity and territorial integrity of Iraq.

  • CANADIAN FM: Foreign Minister of Canada Bill Graham discussed with Mr Kasuri ways and means of working towards an agreed approach in the Security Council in the interest of world peace and security.

In the last few days, **the foreign minister has also received telephone calls from the foreign ministers of Russia, UK, Mexico and Bangladesh to exchange views on the latest development in the region. **

“In these high-level diplomatic discussions, Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmood Kasuri has reiterated Pakistan’s belief that a peaceful solution to this crisis is still possible, and that Pakistan will continue to play its constructive role in reducing differences in the Security Council on the problems of Iraq in the interest of multilateralism, international law and world peace,” said a foreign office announcement.


Govt stand on Iraq issue in national interest: Kasuri

And only a few days back you were supporting the Government's stand in siding with the Americans against the Iraqis.

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Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *
I believe this is a good *
'Diplomatic Step'** taken by the Govt. We must keep ourseleves in contact with World Leaders in times of crisis. Isolation is bad!
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*Originally posted by zaavia: *
And only a few days back you were supporting the Government's stand in siding with the Americans against the Iraqis.
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No, I wasn't.

You mixed RF with me! LOL

I preferred Pakistan to say NO. Guess what, Govt. doesn't wanna be a part of the mess aka Abstention.

Keep the peace paper work rollin'

Pakistan Embassy in Baghdad closed and PIA starts makin’ arrangement to evacuate Pakistanis from the Gulf Region if war breaks out beyond Iraq.

Pakistan closes embassy in Baghdad

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday closed its embassy in Baghdad and asked its staff to return immediately as US-led war looks imminent in Iraq, a Foreign Office spokesman said.

Pakistan earlier advised its ambassador and his staff in Baghdad to take all security measures and make his own assessment of the right time to leave the country, Foreign Office spokesman Aziz Ahmed Khan told weekly press briefing.

The embassy’s non-essential staff were evacuated last month. He ruled out the possibility of evacuating Pakistanis from neighbouring Kuwait. **“We don’t expect war to spill over to Kuwait. So I don’t think they (Pakistanis) are in any physical danger there,” ** he said.

When asked about President Bush’s statement that Monday would be the last day for Iraq diplomacy, the spokesman said Pakistan wants that the UN weapons inspectors be given a chance to complete their job. “Our position is that there should be a peaceful solution to the Iraq crisis and that peace should be given a chance.”

The spokesman said the government felt that Iraq was cooperating with the UN weapons inspectors, a point made by the inspectors themselves. “We feel that these inspectors should be given a chance,” he added. Pakistan, he said, would vote in the best interest of the country, keeping wishes of its people in mind.

As regards the negative impact that the Iraq war would have on Pakistan, the spokesman replied: “The government of Pakistan is quite cognizant of all such impacts and will take adequate measures in this regard.”


PIA plans to evacuate Pakistanis in Gulf


Pakistan exits Baghdad

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - With the possibility of war in Iraq increasing, Pakistan has closed its embassy in Baghdad and withdrawn its staff from Iraq, Foreign Ministry spokesman Aziz Ahmad Khan said Monday.

“The embassy was closed and the personnel were withdrawn yesterday,” Khan told The Associated Press. **“Everybody has left Iraq.” Khan’s comments came after the United States advised U.N. weapons inspectors to begin pulling out of Baghdad, raising concerns that a U.S.-led attack on Baghdad was imminent.

Pakistan pulled out nonessential staff from Iraq a few weeks ago."**

Although a key ally of the United States in the war on terror, Pakistan has told Washington it will be difficult for it to support a war against Iraq.

He encouraged Iraq to continue cooperating with U.N. inspectors.

“So far, they are cooperating with the inspectors. They are implementing the resolution,” he said. “Even inspectors have said that Iraq is cooperating.”

Khan reiterated that Pakistan would not allow the United States to use the country’s bases for an attack against Iraq. Washington has never made such a request.

“Pakistan’s stance on this issue is very clear. We even did not allow the use of Pakistani bases against Afghanistan, and Iraq is too far away,” he said.

Khan said Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali’s upcoming visit to Washington would provide an opportunity to discuss bilateral relations and the regional situation.

Jamali is to visit Washington March 26-28, following a three-day visit to China.

“Our support to the United States in the war on terror will continue,” Khan said.

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *

No, I wasn't.

You mixed RF with me! LOL

I preferred Pakistan to say NO. Guess what, Govt. doesn't wanna be a part of the mess aka Abstention.

Keep the peace paper work rollin'
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yep. I was supporting a "yes" vote in ideal circumstances, however I knew that it not be the case, so the abstention is the best way to go. Better off staying away from it all. Keeping the Bush speech in mind, theres nothing to vote on as we are about to witness the next Iraq war.

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Fard Qaim Rabt-e-Millat say hay, tanha kuch nahi
Moj hay Darya may or bayroon-e-Darya Kuch nahi
- Allama Iqbal
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We have to stop being BUZDIL

Pakistan does not come first

the Muslim UMMAH does

UMMAH hae toh hum haen

we must be BRAVE and uphold the values of HONOR and TRUTH and ISLAM

Pakistan ISLAM ke naam pe hi bana tha aur Islam ke lyay qurban bhee ho sakta hae

it is tough but we need to start somewhere

ALLAH is there to help us we should not be afraid to take the RIGHT step

on another note though:

in the case of Afghanistan, we knew if we said no, Afghanion ko toh US ne bomb kerna hi tha saath hamein bhee target kerte

atleast the afghanis could cross into a peaceful war free pakistan from Afghanistan coz we said yes to the US

eik aur mullak tha un ke lyay

an even now bayshak our govt is oopar oopar se not that vocal everybody knows where Pakistan stands

so we r just being diplomatic

our nation still has its heart in the right place

its unfortunate our govt cant be vocal abt what we believe in but inshalah that time will come soon too :jhanda:

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yep. I was supporting a "yes" vote in ideal circumstances
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What ideal circumstances? US has never been fair with Pakistan, therefore, Pakistan shouldn't be fair with them. Iraq issue has totally rotate as US believe Russia is helpin' Iraq.

Just watch the game of mouse and cat; and keep yourself stay away from this mess.

Irem Bibi:- Be original, not emotional. :)

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*Originally posted by irem: *
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Fard Qaim Rabt-e-Millat say hay, tanha kuch nahi
Moj hay Darya may or bayroon-e-Darya Kuch nahi
- Allama Iqbal
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We have to stop being BUZDIL
Pakistan does not come first
the Muslim UMMAH does
UMMAH hae toh hum haen
we must be BRAVE and uphold the values of HONOR and TRUTH and ISLAM
Pakistan ISLAM ke naam pe hi bana tha aur Islam ke lyay qurban bhee ho sakta hae
it is tough but we need to start somewhere
ALLAH is there to help us we should not be afraid to take the RIGHT step
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Excellent quote!