Pakistan’s contribution to Higgs boson

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Prove it. You have yet to provide any proof of any of your claims. Just because you say he was mistreated and persecuted doesn't mean its true. Prove it. I work in facts. Not flights of fancies based delusions.

Also historically Ahmadies were persecuted during Zia's time systematically. And not under Bhutto's regime.

Acha so some random story in an editorial is now fact? Let me guess you also believe Ziad Hamid's editorials as well?

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BBQ he left in 1974. 6 years before Zia came to power.

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I thought he left in 1954? And he was called back to Pakistan in 1957 to be awarded with an honorary doctorate at the University of Punjab, a national award by the then president, and the various other government appointments from 1959 onwards?

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hahaahhahahaha.......provided that i think AQ is overrated.......but seriously??

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choices of previous generations are not the choices of this generation.

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few Pakistanis know about it because we have never given that great man any recognition at all. dont you remember what we did to him in his life and after his death. religious bigotry never let us see the greatness that that man was.
had we left him to do something, today the great hydron collider would have been in Pakistan instead.
oh, but saving Islam was more important than anything.

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thats not it TLK. people like winners. he earned a good name thats why we own him now. had he been alive today, i doubt we would have let him come back into this country. remember that in this country people even accused of dishonoring a copy of the Qoran can be burnt to death. we have not much changed since the days he left this country.

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^ Ok, I kind of agree with the part - 'had he been alive today ...'

Yes, that is true.

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Ermm actually, the former PM had paid tribute to him earlier this year, long before this Higgs jazz. And go read up on some of the articles dating back to January 2012, written by Pakistanis, honouring him on his birthday. Don't forget to read the comments condemning extremism against minorities, again written by the present generation of Pakistan.

And it was long before he had earned a Nobel Prize that he was appointed a member of the scientific commission for the Pakistani President, the first technical member of the atomic energy commission, the chief scientific advisor to the president for 13 years, honoured with national awards and honorary degrees. Why are there several government-owned institutes named after him in Pakistan? Why is there such a thing as the Abdus Salam Award, presented to selected Pakistani scientists every year? Why pay tributes to him? Coz the nation hates him innit.

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to my understanding, his contribution to the world of science is recognized by even anti-Ahmedi Pakistanis, who take pride in his work, his legacy is still very much alive,he did leave Paksitan, right after Ahmedis were declared non muslims, perhaps he did feel he was treated indifferently, but he was such a patriot that he remain connected with Pakistan until his last breath. In one of his books, he wrote that he has been asking ulema of muslims countries to devote some of their friday sermons to study of nature, in the holy book, there are quranic verses on science, however, out of ignorance of science, ulemas were afraid to talk about it.

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Pakistan shuns physicist linked to ‘God particle’

Pakistan shuns physicist linked to ‘God particle’
ISLAMABAD (AP) – The pioneering work of Abdus Salam, Pakistan’s only Nobel laureate, helped lead to the apparent discovery of the subatomic “God particle” last week. But the late physicist is no hero at home, where his name has been stricken from school textbooks.

Praise within Pakistan for Salam, who also guided the early stages of the country’s nuclear program, faded decades ago as Muslim fundamentalists gained power. He belonged to the Ahmadi sect, which has been persecuted by the government and targeted by Taliban militants who view its members as heretics.
Their plight — along with that of Pakistan’s other religious minorities, such as Shiite Muslims, Christians and Hindus — has deepened in recent years as hardline interpretations of Islam have gained ground and militants have stepped up attacks against groups they oppose. Most Pakistanis are Sunni Muslims.
Salam, a child prodigy born in 1926 in what was to become Pakistan after the partition of British-controlled India, won more than a dozen international prizes and honors. In 1979, he was co-winner of the Nobel Prize for his work on the so-called Standard Model of particle physics, which theorizes how fundamental forces govern the overall dynamics of the universe. He died in 1996.
Salam and Steven Weinberg, with whom he shared the Nobel Prize, independently predicted the existence of a subatomic particle now called the Higgs boson, named after a British physicist who theorized that it endowed other particles with mass, said Pervez Hoodbhoy, a Pakistani physicist who once worked with Salam. It is also known as the “God particle” because its existence is vitally important toward understanding the early evolution of the universe.
Physicists in Switzerland stoked worldwide excitement Wednesday when they announced they have all but proven the particle’s existence. This was done using the world’s largest atom smasher at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, near Geneva.
“This would be a great vindication of Salam’s work and the Standard Model as a whole,” said Khurshid Hasanain, chairman of the physics department at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad.
In the 1960s and early 1970s, Salam wielded significant influence in Pakistan as the chief scientific adviser to the president, helping to set up the country’s space agency and institute for nuclear science and technology. Salam also assisted in the early stages of Pakistan’s effort to build a nuclear bomb, which it eventually tested in 1998.
Salam’s life, along with the fate of the 3 million other Ahmadis in Pakistan, drastically changed in 1974 when parliament amended the constitution to declare that members of the sect were not considered Muslims under Pakistani law.
Ahmadis believe their spiritual leader, Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who died in 1908, was a prophet of God — a position rejected by the government in response to a mass movement led by Pakistan’s major Islamic parties. Islam considers Muhammad the last prophet and those who subsequently declared themselves prophets as heretics.
All Pakistani passport applicants must sign a section saying the Ahmadi faith’s founder was an “impostor” and his followers are “non-Muslims.” Ahmadis are prevented by law in Pakistan from “posing as Muslims,” declaring their faith publicly, calling their places of worship mosques or performing the Muslim call to prayer. They can be punished with prison and even death.
Salam resigned from his government post in protest following the 1974 constitutional amendment and eventually moved to Europe to pursue his work. In Italy, he created a center for theoretical physics to help physicists from the developing world.
Although Pakistan’s then-president, Gen. Zia ul-Haq, presented Salam with Pakistan’s highest civilian honor after he won the Nobel Prize, the general response in the country was muted. The physicist was celebrated more enthusiastically by other nations, including Pakistan’s archenemy, India.
Despite his achievements, Salam’s name appears in few textbooks and is rarely mentioned by Pakistani leaders or the media. By contrast, fellow Pakistani physicist A.Q. Khan, who played a key role in developing the country’s nuclear bomb and later confessed to spreading nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya, is considered a national hero. Khan is a Muslim.
Officials at Quaid-i-Azam University had to cancel plans for Salam to lecture about his Nobel-winning theory when Islamist student activists threatened to break the physicist’s legs, said his colleague Hoodbhoy.
“The way he has been treated is such a tragedy,” said Hoodbhoy. “He went from someone who was revered in Pakistan, a national celebrity, to someone who could not set foot in Pakistan. If he came, he would be insulted and could be hurt or even killed.”
The president who honored Salam would later go on to intensify persecution of Ahmadis, for whom life in Pakistan has grown even more precarious. Taliban militants attacked two mosques packed with Ahmadis in Lahore in 2010, killing at least 80 people.
“Many Ahmadis have received letters from fundamentalists since the 2010 attacks threatening to target them again, and the government isn’t doing anything,” said Qamar Suleiman, a spokesman for the Ahmadi community.
For Salam, not even death saved him from being targeted.
Hoodbhoy said his body was returned to Pakistan in 1996 after he died in Oxford, England, and was buried under a gravestone that read “First Muslim Nobel Laureate.” A local magistrate ordered that the word “Muslim” be erased.

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The difference is that Germany accepts its wrong doings under Hitler and does not approve of the same things anymore while we still approve of discrimination against Ahmadis.

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That is bull****. There far right groups in parliament and neo-nazi groups do exist in Germany.

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DO EXIST is very different from an out right concensus of a majority population to persecute a minority based on their religious beliefs and make that persecution legal.

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and yet we have “Salam Chair in Physics at Government College University, Lahore”](http://www.gcu.edu.pk/Salam_Chair.htm)

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Well they do exist and yes even in provincial Parliaments there r a few of them ..... But to put Germany on the same level with Pakistan in this regard is utterly stupid

Just a few days ago when it came out that one of the countrys internal intelligence agancy failed (or as some put silently condoned) to prevent a underground Nazi group from murdering 10 PPL in the space of 10-11 years the president of the "Bundesverfassungsschutz" resigned ..... A Parliament commitee set-up to investigate ..... now the Interior minister has announced to revamp the whole internal intelligence structure and the parliament will have more leverage on things + transperency

BTW how many PPL (let alone minorities like Christians, Ahmadies, Hindus, Shias etc.) were killed by "agencies" or other extreme outfits in Pakistan in the last decade and what has been done about it?

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Yes Zero after how many years did he resign? After what an internal investigation no less. Please don’t consider us all fools. The news of the Neo-nazis murdering muslims of Turkish origins broke roughly 2 years ago in 2010 if i recall correctly.

Secondly you should read the UN reports on racial discrimination. There are more neo-nazi and far right parties in EU parliaments then any time after World War 2. What does that say?

Shadan I think you haven’t heard of the French ban on the Hijab. That by no means is persecution right? :rolleyes:

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The thread is heading towards a totally differnt topic but i’m not blaming u or any other for that matter since i’m in as well :smiley:

Well i what i meant or wanted to point out is the very incident when a intelligence man shredded Neo nazi files once the attorny wanted all files on his table and this led to all that is now unfolding … Far Right wing or Neo nazi partys do exist in every european country and in some they even make it to the parliament … But they r not in majority … Islam or Muslim bashing is a favourite past time in the mean while for many socalled christian democratic parties in most EU-Countries … Germany is not immune to that but still the system is followed and Laws respected mostly … If u think the Hijab Law is sort of persecution (i BTW agree with u here) in certain EU countries then one should consider blasphemy Law also sort of persecution tool coz with this tool it’s easier to target certain minorities or the weak of a society … Sarkozy did nothing else (the treatment of Roma) … Geert Wilders did nothing else (in reference to more than 10% of Muslim Population) … The swiss a few years back did nothing else (With Ban on Minarets) … The situation of Refugees (Mostly Afghans or Iraqis) in Bulgaria or Hungry is at like in gitmo coz they r tortured and locked away without any chance to defend themselve … and the list goes on

but tell me one thing … is it possible that in Pakistan soon the Chritians can chose between Christianity or Islamiyaat as a subject (apart from the rest of the cylabus) while in the School ???

In my State in Hessen, Germany very soon i can chose that my kids be taught “Islamiyaat” instead of Official Catholic/Evangalic subjects which i had to go through

Refering me to the UN-Report about racial discrimination well i don’t wanna know what it has about Pakistan in it :rolleyes:

I by no mean defend Germany as the Purest or cleanest Democracy but things are improving and certainly are far better than most EU-Countries let alone Pakistan or Elsewhere

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Yes she most definitely is an objective source of information :rolleyes:

And Zero I am gonna say the same thing I say to US military officials when they compare their actions to the Taliban saying we are better than them. Well duh. They are terrorists and you are professional military. The difference between Pakistan and Germany is this. One has an educated population of some 40% the other has nearly 100% education and literacy (yet the support for far right parties increases on a yearly basis).

If you are gonna compare a highly educated literate society with an uneducated one lets gave proper weights to the stats. After all your average German has at minimum a BA. Your average Pakistan has barely passed middle school. Who do you hold more at fault for violating the Universal declaration of human rights. Of course remember something like 10% of the Pakistani population would even know what Human Rights are.