Re: Pakistan Protests EU Treatment of Pro-Taleban Legislator
I thought AIDS was spread by white monkeys from Africa not Europe.
Re: Pakistan Protests EU Treatment of Pro-Taleban Legislator
man the point is they were white... it doesn't matter if they come from europe africa or someone's ass all that matters was that they were disease spreading white creatures
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Quick Khatmal - pull out the "not a racist" results of that quiz :)
Thank you Ohio Guy, now I understand the position of the EU better. You are right about respect going both ways.
Ok, so now some of this makes sense, but it doesn't excuse the bad behavior on the part of the EU.
However, this could have been handled a lot better. Like Mr. Fraudia and Khatmal said they could have refused him up-front rather allowing him in, then searching him, his posessions, and detaining him as long as they did and then just saying, nope, go home. Even if this was not the intention, it seems as though they purposely harrassed this guy just because, which is wrong.
On a side note OG, my husband and most of the Pakistani people in our area are from the NWFP, are Pathan, and identify with Taliban, but all are some of the most tolerant and patient people I know. Most have American wives of other faiths and love the democratic system. So, it is the "firebrands" and their activities that give the bad name to that area and to those people. To dismissively say let the carpet bombing begin is a bit harsh.
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I don’t know what the ‘test’ proved, but your posts here reveal racism.
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you know just like all pathans are talibans and talibans are terrorists.. all the eu people are idiots and are disease spreading white creatures
that's how the universe is balanced thanks to khatmal
and minah_pa yes I saved that screen :D
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seminole to me your whole race looks like a bunch of racists but what can you do about it eh?
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^ LOL that is a good one. Accusing a race of being racist. What a racist statement.
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Minah, my "carpet bombing" comment was in response to the fellow who thinks that bombing pizzerias is akin to snubbing a diplomat. We have two parallel conversations going in this thread.
The real question is, Does Haq represent the people of that area well? Frankly, this is why I have such great hope for the Middle East. Democracy is more than just elections. It is a process of continual balance. If the NWFrontier continues to put forward candidates that become an embarrassment to Paksitan, the people of the frontier will have further choices to make. If they still believe strongly in their candidate, they can do so knowing that the EU, and the rest of the Western world rejects him. If that is their choice, then so be it.....
But if Pakistan accumulates too many Pathan David Dukes, world investment in Pakistan will slow down, visas will dry up, cooperation in all areas will cease. Certainly the Taliban had no problem with this. It did not change their behavior one whit. But they functioned as outcasts and pariahs from the remainder of the international world. The message for the more moderate people of Pakistan is quite blunt. We will not deal with your extremeists, we will not allow them to cause trouble in our countries, and we do not recognize their legitimacy on our soil. It is a good message for the EU to send. Because the moderate people of Pakistan understand the importance of EU support on many issues, trade, defense, support on Kashmir, travel and other routine issues. When even the liberal EU, especailly Belgium and France reject a Pakistani delegation, there is something quite wrong with the delegation.
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Frankly, justifying the intentional killing of innocents is where YOU started my friend
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No, read again my friend you started it with the accountability crap, and PD you are always welcome with your khotay sikay and a free ride.
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^ Damn right. All the Talibanis need to go. Pakistan needs to isolate them. Maybe send them to gitmo.
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any country has a right to refuse entry to anyone from any other country, citizen, elected leader, diplmoats whatever.
So while you may not agree with the reasons of the snub, you can not argue aginst their right to refuse entry.
I personally see no issue here.
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Minime,
Accountability is a keystone to a Democracy. You lept to the conclusion that violence equaled accountability in your comment about bombing Pizzerias.
Accountability is part and parcel of the election process. Haq may be a freely elected official, but that does not mean that he will not be held to account for his behavior. Going to Germany as part of a diplomatic team and then ranting in the streets against his hosts is behavior that he will have to account for..... Pakistan can protest all it wants, but you can bet that this idiot and his ilk will lose authority in further foreign affairs matters in Pakistan. Would Pakistan ever send him again to represent the country? Perhaps if they want to signal defiance, but not if they want something productive accomplished.
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Well done on the EU. I couldn't agree more.
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Minah, my "carpet bombing" comment was in response to the fellow who thinks that bombing pizzerias is akin to snubbing a diplomat. We have two parallel conversations going in this thread.
The real question is, Does Haq represent the people of that area well? Frankly, this is why I have such great hope for the Middle East. Democracy is more than just elections. It is a process of continual balance. If the NWFrontier continues to put forward candidates that become an embarrassment to Paksitan, the people of the frontier will have further choices to make. If they still believe strongly in their candidate, they can do so knowing that the EU, and the rest of the Western world rejects him. If that is their choice, then so be it.....
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If you follow politics, then you know that public opinion has a pendulum effect in a way, it swings one way for a while then the other way. Democracy is a fairly new idea and system for the people in that area, it will take a while for the comfortable to lose it's appeal, especially with a people that resist change as hard and as long as the people in that area have done in their history. Whether the west rejects them or not is not a high priority when most there are scrambling for the necessities. So, Mullahs were the ruling people before the elections and after the elections because that is what they are used to.
Like I said earlier, authorities in Belgium/France could have just rejected his application for a visa or just met him and turned him around. Instead they subjected him to harrasment. So the kids on the playground ganged up on the loudmouthed pushy kid, didn't make any of them look good.
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But if Pakistan accumulates too many Pathan David Dukes, world investment in Pakistan will slow down, visas will dry up, cooperation in all areas will cease. Certainly the Taliban had no problem with this. It did not change their behavior one whit. But they functioned as outcasts and pariahs from the remainder of the international world. The message for the more moderate people of Pakistan is quite blunt. We will not deal with your extremeists, we will not allow them to cause trouble in our countries, and we do not recognize their legitimacy on our soil. It is a good message for the EU to send. Because the moderate people of Pakistan understand the importance of EU support on many issues, trade, defense, support on Kashmir, travel and other routine issues. When even the liberal EU, especailly Belgium and France reject a Pakistani delegation, there is something quite wrong with the delegation.
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Can't argue with this, makes sense and I agree with it. Especially about Belgium and France rejecting a delegation,
But I stand by my statement that they didn't handle things the right way. This just creates more problems in areas that are already leary of America (the west) and it's influence and as I wrote earlier today, it seems as though we push for democracy and then when there is an election - we reject who the people chose to represent them because he doesn't fall in with the way we think.
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Minah,
This guy runs a madrassa called the "University of Jihad". Lets be realistic, he knows A LOT about OBL, recruits going over the border to Afghanistan, and the global jihadi network. I have absolutely no respect for his dignity what-so-ever. As far as I am concerned, his madrassa is a Taleban training base and it ought to have a 2000 lb JDAM right through the roof. If it was over the border in Afghanistan you can bet that it would be standing about 30 seconds. It is laughable that he hides behind diplomatic credentials and expects to be treated with dignity while he trains impressionable boys to go fight in Afghanistan. He goes to Germany and preaches his "firebrand" hate, and expects to be treated well? When a Christian can go to the NWFP and preach against Islam, then he has some rights. But this is a guy who commonly refers to all Jews and Christians as "kafirs", and advocates world wide violence. He is an embarrassment to Pakistan and should be treated as he would have others treated. He belongs in Guantanamo, not the Legislature.
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The jist of it all is that Sami was boycotted for his ideological views, and not because he did anything sucky, like being responsible for the genocide of a particular community [as was the case with Modi for which he was "snubbed" by US]. And that really sucks, where did all the "tolerance", the ability to "respect different viewpoints" go? So from now on, it's democracy of convenience. Elect the people we accept, else we'll ignore you, or worse we can bomb you to bits.
Some people are just trying to divert the argument off to a tangent, it's really quite simple.
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ohioguy christians and jews are kaafirs... theres nothing wrong in calling someone that
what's wrong is when american kids are brainwashed to think all muslims are terrorists and by your bomb the madrasas thinking why not bomb all the american high schools too?
dubya and all his supporters are a big embarrassment to the united states and I hope the next time they fire rockets at the pentagon... bush better be visiting
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Fraudia has made some good points. true that diplomatic snubs are used to show displeasure and disapproval however i still think pakistan was justified in lodging a protest. The behaviour was insulting what ever the motivation was. It was in contradiciton to diplomatic practices and surely against human rights.
You can say that they didnt do their homework i am inclined to believe that the intention was to snub all along. They did it because they could.
As for the bs you have the nerve to post. I applaud your hypocritical claims. Live in the rosy glow and think about the rulers that belong to common wealth (including musharraf) and other in middle eastern nations that are as far from being democratic as you from being sensible. Its funny how you make mockery of your own principles.
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Interesting. For your information any muslim calls non muslims kafir. All muslims except the vagabonds believe in jihad. He didnot go in germany to preach his idealogy. Until he actually comits any such act, accusations are mere accusations.
Its also very interesting 2000 lb JDAM should have gone through the roof because you believe that he is evil and you are superior with your knowledge of not only reading minds but also being the judge of whats right and wrong. See this is the meddlesome and snobbish attitude that gives rise to what you term “firebrand” hate.
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As long as we are applauding one other, I applaud you for having the nerve to choose a screen name that makes as much sense as your posts.