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munna - don't forget all thos "sponsors" were about to pull the plug after india's humiliating loss to australia.
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Hummmmmmmm...where did u get this news from???
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*Originally posted by funguy: *
munna - don't forget all thos "sponsors" were about to pull the plug after india's humiliating loss to australia. So just having a billion people won't cut it for the indian team. they not only have to perform well but also against big countries.
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oh yeah. that is the power of the indian consumer. and all the sponsors r out to woo him/her. the sponsors r willing to go to any limit to please the indian consumer. that is the power of 1 billion. in which other country will u find such a drastic step taken.
and in which other country will u find desi products promoted by a foreign cricket player. in india mc grath, dillon, warne, steve waugh, gilchrist, ponting and many others have appeared in commercials.
i stick to my view.
Munna.
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*Originally posted by munnabhai: *
for me india is bigger than the game. please dont pass judgements on others without understanding their views.
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We are talking about the Game of Cricket and not INDIA, Obviously, for you & for me, India is bigger than any game, But That's not what this discussion is about, this discussion is about Indian Cricket. So try to limit your discussion to Cricket. What happens to Indian Cricket if ICC bans India from playing cricket. Will we benefit from it ?
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if not cricket, there are other games. and banning india from world cricket will surely bring back life into other sports like hockey, tennis, football, kabbaddi.
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Once again, I dont care what happens to the other game, you are unnecessarily bringing other games, banning India in cricket may bring back life to other sports but I am sure cricket's state will be worse than the present Indian Hockey's state. Also, it is another misconception that Hockey,Tennis Football and other sports will get life If we stopped playing cricket. Buddy, to be world class in those games you need to have world class, basic structure, facilties,trainers and above all a will to succeed at the top level.
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why do u think no indian is interested in watching domestic cricket? the only reason is too much of international cricket.
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Why do I think that ?? Well Every year there are more than 300 domestic matches in India and forget watching, I have never heard anyone talking about those games and I guess 99 % of the Indians wont be able to tell you the difference between Ranji,Irani, Duleep Trophy format. How many people know who is our present Ranji/Duleep/Irani trophy Champion ? That makes me think that no one is interested in watching Domestic Games. and what too much International Cricket you are talking about, It's never too much for the viewers, The more you win the more they want to see you.
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i for one follow domestic cricket keenly. and not playing international cricket does not mean that u cannot reform the existing setup. on the contrary, the reforms become more urgent because the attention domestic cricket will attract.
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You may follow domestic cricket, but you are just 1 of a billion Indians, And I bet you dont even know the current domestic format, Please do tell us what do you know about new domestic system we have and who helped us implement it ? And please dont tell me that You had a tete-a-tete with Mr. Dalmiya about how to attract viewers to domestic cricket.
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if not icc, then who will be the great loser. where will the revenues come from. if india stays away from international cricket, then u will find sponsors queuing up for the domestic matches. true, icc will hold the world cups and other tourneys. but noton the same scale that is being done now. it will be set back at least by one decade.
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Indian board, Indian cricket and Indian players stand to lose more than ICC. What If ICC gets less revenue, it will not be able to help countries like Kenya, Bangladesh, but it will still be able to run cricket organize test tours, World Cups etc. But The game of cricket will still go on, no ?? Please tell me one thing SA didn't play cricket for more than 20 years ? Whose loss was it ? ICC's or SA's . Can you imagine the plights of Barry Richards, Greame & Peter pollock, Clive Rice and many other unknown talents whom the world never got to see ? Do you think Sachin Tendulkar, Dravid etc will have any motivation left to play Incase ICC decides to Ban India ?
At the end - In India Every player plays cricket with a dream to wear the India colors at some point in his career, The hope of playing at the top level, competing with the best in the world and the money, fame, satisfaction motivates and drives the domestic players to play. So imagine the day India will be banned from playing cricket.
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*Originally posted by munnabhai: *
oh yeah. that is the power of the indian consumer. and all the sponsors r out to woo him/her. the sponsors r willing to go to any limit to please the indian consumer. that is the power of 1 billion. in which other country will u find such a drastic step taken.
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Which consumer you are talking about ?? Are you telling me that Indian consumer is so stup!d that he is willing to buy any Sh!t just because it is endorsed by a Cricketer ??
Dont over-estimate the power of 1 Billion people - because out of that 1 Billion, 400 million are below poverty line and cant even afford 'Do Waqt ki roti' forget about buying a 50000 Rs Endorsed by Sachin Tendulkar.
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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *
Which consumer you are talking about ?? Are you telling me that Indian consumer is so stup!d that he is willing to buy any Sh!t just because it is endorsed by a Cricketer ??
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Though I dont agree with Munnabhai here.
But your statement here is wrong.If consumer doesnt pay for a product endrosed by a cricketter then why is producer paying money to Cricketter?
Obviously it has effects?brand recognition is build by this.
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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *
Which consumer you are talking about ?? Are you telling me that Indian consumer is so stup!d that he is willing to buy any Sh!t just because it is endorsed by a Cricketer ??
Dont over-estimate the power of 1 Billion people - because out of that 1 Billion, 400 million are below poverty line and cant even afford 'Do Waqt ki roti' forget about buying a 50000 Rs Endorsed by Sachin Tendulkar.
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the indian consumer will not buy any **** for some cricketer. but do u know that after the ind-aus match people were speaking about boycotting companies who used the cricketers to promote thier products.
asif dont mix issues here. what has poverty got to do with sponsorships.
Munna.
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*Originally posted by allah_ka_banda: *
Though I dont agree with Munnabhai here.
But your statement here is wrong.If consumer doesnt pay for a product endrosed by a cricketter then why is producer paying money to Cricketter?
Obviously it has effects?brand recognition is build by this.
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what dont u agree with me about? we could discuss if u want.
Munna.
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*Originally posted by munnabhai: *
sure.. india can live without icc but can icc
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I dont agre with this.This is too arrogant and untrue.
Both will survive and both will be hurt.
Eventual looser will be cricket and cricket fan.
^ I wonder if this would even be a point of discussion if India weren't in Finals today
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the indian consumer will not buy any *** for some cricketer. but do u know that after the ind-aus match people were speaking about boycotting companies who used the cricketers to promote thier products.
asif dont mix issues here. what has poverty got to do with sponsorships.
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First of all I am not mixing poverty with anything - My only point was to tell you that all this talk about 1 Billion consumers is not correct and if you look at it carefully, There are only 200-300 million consumers.
Second Indian consumers dont buy products endorsed by cricketers, and as AQ said it only builds the recognition.And your point about people boycotting companies just because of one bad performance, just imagine what happens If we dont play cricket at all.
How many Companies in India are willing to sponsor the Ranji,duleep, Irani Trophy ?? How many Ranji players have endorsments ?? Did you even know that every player has a clause in his contract with sponsor which says that they will be paid only if they can play at least X no. of matches for Team India.
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I dont agre with this.This is too arrogant and untrue.
Both will survive and both will be hurt.
Eventual looser will be cricket and cricket fan.
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did u miss the "can" in the original statement? i know that both can do without each other. but do the gains of a ban outweigh the losses?
how else do think a demand for sanctions should be answered?
india is well within its rights to decide whom to play against and whom not to.
Munna.
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^ I wonder if this would even be a point of discussion if India weren't in Finals today
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Funguy - this will always be a point of discussion, finals or not. India has reached finals because they have played well, but as fans we have no rights to be arrogant that too at such a level where we can say that India is bigger than the game. No Team, player or Organization is bigger than the game.
Demand of sanction will not hold water.It shows desperation from PCB.If they cant get NZL to play with them they should stop dreaming that they can get India banned.Its not in BCCI’s hand and ICC cannot force Government of India to change its policy.Also ICC cannot afford to do it.
They have too many things to figure out themselve.They need to make sure that there dont loose there fan base right now..but at the same time we shouldnot be arrogant.No team or player is bigger than game.
yes India has right to decide . :k:
Just like ICC has no right to ban BCCI from the cricket world, the Indian govt has no rights to involve sports with politics.
This is the kind of situation where both PCB and ICC are helpless, because they can't take any actions against BCCI because they are doing their part but coward Indian govt is the one controling sports in their country.
Umair316 - Your country's govt is a bigger COWARD and they should first remove the Army discards and leave the PCB for cricketers. And Please keep your lecture of SPORTS & POLITICS to you or I will remind you of Moscow Olympics and many other instances.
Indian government has every right to do decide who they want or dont want our cricket team to play with.
PCB is helpless because they have an incompetent COWARD sitting who had no job left for him in the ARMY.
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Just like ICC has no right to ban BCCI from the cricket world, the Indian govt has no rights to involve sports with politics.
This is the kind of situation where both PCB and ICC are helpless, because they can't take any actions against BCCI because they are doing their part but coward Indian govt is the one controling sports in their country.
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Oh really and who is controlling sports in your Country.
Wana play Tennis with Israel?
Where were you during aprthied?
Politics is part of people life in any country and players and sports administrator are part of country.
Stop this COWARD bull****.
Asif, as a side note, I have seen so many times but have to speak now. Your signature is an insult to Tendulkar. You think Harbhajan, Srinath can do the same using MRF bat?
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Asif, as a side note, I have seen so many times but have to speak now. Your signature is an insult to Tendulkar. You think Harbhajan, Srinath can do the same using MRF bat?
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Agreed..
Changed that to Sachin's Bat. ;)
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Asif, as a side note, I have seen so many times but have to speak now. Your signature is an insult to Tendulkar. You think Harbhajan, Srinath can do the same using MRF bat?
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MRF bat is synonymus with Sachin Tendulkar's BAT. Whenever Sachin plays a straight shot we get to see the FACE of the bat which has the MRF logo on it.
I dont think MRF LOGO appears on Harbhajan/Srinath's bats. Even If it appears I dont think anybody will be able to see the LOGO on their bats.
PS :- Since you have taken a literal meaning of my signature - May I ask :- Dont you think it is an Insult to RAWALPINDI EXPRESS, You think it derails as much as Shoaib Akhtar ?
Good to see after a long time the indians have something to smile :).
I'd say let the PAK and IND play any where but not just the WC so the fans don't have to wait for 4 years to talk about on a match or series I think that would be fair for the sake of cricket, fans, and country :)
I wonder whats so special about cricket that the indian gov banned just the cricket but not any other game? or is it what they call double standards? or it could be the stats 52:30 eh :)
If they say its because of kashmir then as far as I can remember I haven't seen or heard any match between PAK and IND being played in Kashmir so that one could think that there could be ISI or RAW agents along side the players ;)