Pakistan 'out to enslave Afghans' K barks again!

He is loosing it, this kabul mayor think he is independant?? forgot about his master Unicol or US.

Pakistan ‘out to enslave Afghans’

President Hamid Karzai has hit out at Pakistan over continuing violence in Afghanistan, accusing it of trying to turn his countrymen into “slaves”.
Mr Karzai’s comments are among his most strongly-worded yet in the spat between the neighbours over border attacks.

While on a visit to the southern city of Kandahar, he also criticised Nato-led forces for killing civilians.

As he did so a motorcyclist was accidentally killed by Nato troops in the city. Nato subsequently apologised.

‘Tyranny’

Mr Karzai’s latest verbal attack on Pakistan came while he was visiting a school in Kandahar.

Even if they kill 25 million people [in Afghanistan] I won’t become their slave

Afghan President Hamid Karzai

“Pakistan has not given up hope of making us slaves. But they cannot,” he said.

“This tyranny against our people is not by the nation of Pakistan, it is by the government of Pakistan.”

The BBC’s Alastair Leithead in Kabul says Taleban fighters are known to move across the border between the two countries and there are growing concerns that the insurgents are increasing their strength in the tribal-controlled areas on the Pakistani side in Waziristan.

Our correspondent says many diplomats support the view that elements within Pakistan are making things worse in Afghanistan.

The Pakistani government has long denied suggestions that it could do more to stop cross-border attacks.

Officials point to the deaths of hundreds of Pakistani troops fighting pro-Taleban militants on the Pakistani side of the border.

But recent peace deals with the militants aimed at ending the bloodshed have been viewed with suspicion in Kabul and Washington.

Pakistani foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam did not respond directly to Mr Karzai’s remarks, but repeated Islamabad’s view that the roots of Afghanistan’s violence were mainly to be found within its borders.

“The problem of Afghanistan is primarily inside Afghanistan and it should be resolved there. The Taleban are operating well inside Afghanistan,” Ms Aslam said, the AFP news agency reported.

Civilian toll

Afghanistan has seen its most violent year since the overthrow of the Taleban five years ago, with more than 3,500 people killed, according to the authorities.

President Karzai also expressed his anger and worry about the increasing number of civilians being killed by Nato forces as well as insurgents, and said the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) was reviewing its procedures to keep them down to a minimum.

He was referring to an incident in the aftermath of a suicide bomb attack on British forces last week in Kandahar when a number of people were killed or injured.

But as he spoke, a civilian on a motorbike was mistakenly shot dead as he approached an Isaf checkpoint in the city.

In Kandahar, where there have been a large number of suicide attacks over the past two weeks, there is increasing criticism of the Nato forces over civilian casualties, our correspondent says.

Re: Pakistan 'out to enslave Afghans' K barks again!

Wow, This is a Strong reaction. But there is a truth to this statement. Pakistan thinks Afghanistan is their 'Jaagir', Afghanistan is too weak force before Pakistan, so Pakistan misuses Afghanistan and Afghans.

Most Afghans I met have nothing but hatred towards Pakistan.

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probably does not include the millions who are living in pakistan or trying to get in every year.

Afghanis asked for Pakistani help after USSR attacked, which they got..afterwards not only could they not control their country as they broke out into warlord wars..

with all teh drugs and weapons and crap coming into Pakistan,.. Pakistan had no choice but to 'interfere' to bring about some stability to that side of its borders, additionally it did not want to have two hostile borders.

What is new about it? every country takes steps to watch out for its interests, by influencing, bringing, controlling or even attacking others.

and as I have said time and time again. why does he not close his borders down. I will be ecstatic if these thugs, arms and drugs just stop coming from that country.

so, with all due apologies to President Reagen's historic statement.

"build up some walls Mr. president" (or mayor of kabul)

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^^ Idealistic but not really practical?

I think Pakistan needs to invest into Afghanistan. Get afghani in Pakistan to build structures and develop resources in Afghanistan. I truly beleive that is a win win situation for both countries.

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Many Afghans blame Pakistan for the present state of their country. Though Taliban was created with Western support, Afghans blame Pakistan and ISI in particular the most. The aim of Pakistan was to make Afghanistan it’s slave.

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Unfortunately with the deal Pakistan cut with tribal leaders, it has allowed the area to become a base and safe haven for al-Qaeda and Taliban to stage cross border attacks. While it's all good and well to suggest Afghanistan close its border, it's not realistic. The United States can't even close its flat southern borders, how can it possibly be expected for Afghanistan to close its mountainous border?

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Karzai is losing it. At one time he started crying when talking about killings of Afghan civilians at the hands of NATO. But since they are the ones who have made him Kabul's Mayor, he instead shifted his condemnation, yet again, against Pakistan.
He now thinks Pakistan wants to make Afghans a gate-keeper at Karachi hotel. wtf.

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these are not ideal circumstances and thus not ideal scenarios and situations emerging from it. People get on pakistan’s case for trying to cut deals with tribals where btw ribal elders have also been killed by militants. so it appears even the militants dont want tribal leaders to cut deals with Pak govt.

But the situation is similar in Afghanistan where Nato and karzai has to make deals with warlords. btw the same warlords that are now growing boatloads of drugs which are then being used as a source of reveue by the miltants. I mena that is not an ideal situation either and Nato is trying to control it but its not working well.

so the guys that karzai is pals with i.e. the warlords, are producing drugs…they then are somehow giving it or proceeds from it to the militants who are karzai’s enemies.

that is something kharzai does not talk about much. the game of blme soemone outside so your own incompetence is out of focus is a game played out, everyone knows the game

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Afghans should start blaming themselves for their presentstate of affairs as well as the rut they have been since the siviets left. maybe it would have been better to have the soviet puppet regime there.

if you look at the damage soviets did in afghanistan and then compare it with wat the afghans have done to themselves, you would know what I am talking about.

its easy to blame outsiders, pakistan blames India, India blames Pakistan or China, arabs blane america, etc etc etc.

The aim of pakistan was to secure its border, and with the state of affairs in afghanistan that needed more of a push. when pakistan did that the flow of drugs and guns to pakistani cities was reduced as well.

afghans can blame pakistan they can blame disneyland for all I care. they have proven time and time again that they are incapable of sorting their country out.

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Karzai is frustrated... His power used to extend to all of Kabul, no I doubt it even extends beyond his bedroom.
Pakistan will obviously have to dosomething more to appease this powerless wonder, but it shouldnt surprise anyone that the moron reacts the way he does considering how little he has to show for his years in power. A recent article pointed out that not many people have confidence in the Afghan govt, particulalry in Southern areas of the country. Pakistan is just Karza'si scapegoat.\
Perhaps a good way to start good relations finally would be to accept the Durrand line, and work harder to improve the life of the people living in Afghanistan.

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^^^ easy to blame rather then set own house right! for a moment if we believe the Mayor is right. if he thinks Pakistan is the one that controls everything within Afghanistan, then he should negotiate with them.

I would say expell every single afghan in the country back to their lala land. the most un thankfull people on earth.

they hate PAkistan, the only country that gave them support and home when they needed.

they hate America, yet they rely on them for security.

i think mayor should come out of ideal world and face the music thats on his doors, if only super power cant help him, who will??
Afghanis themselves are responsible for all the mess in their country after USSR left.
the micky mouses started fighting each other. everyone who live in Afghanistan should be given equal power share. not sham election to re elect this mayor. I think a strong Warlord from Afghanistan would have run country better instead living in US sponsored compounds.

due to nature of the country warlord has more control over regions and thats not going to go away easily so they have to get all together, set some goals and share power to rebuild the nation.
blaming Pakistan will not solve any problem at all.

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This is retarded. My taxes in both Canada and Pakistan weren't paid so that Karzai can project his problems onto both countries whenever someone dies. Lets see how long this tool will last if the NATO pulls out all the Canadian and other multi-national troops out of that hell hole and if Pakistan sends back all the no-good refuges back to Afghanistan.

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Karzai is nothing more than a puppet figure. And his anti-pakistan propaganada is spewed by the farsiwaan domianted and controlled governemtn in Afghanistan. Pashtuns make up the majoirty of Afganistan, yet Dari is the offical language of the government, almost all the media in dari, the whole country runs on dari, most major positions are held by farsiwaans(excluding Karzai who was "elected" mayor of kabul to appease the afghan pashtuns)

And also, majoirty of Afgan pashtuns do not hate Pakistan, and like Pakistan due to the fact that Pakistan has always supported a pashtun dominated government in Afganistan. When i visited Jamrud in FATA(town of the famous Khyber pass) most of the Afgans had nothing but postive stuff for Pakistan, and vile hatred for Karzai. They say that a country where pashtuns forms a majoirty are being ruled by farsiwaans, and alos another intresting thing is that alot of afghan would still rather deal in Pakisatni currency then afgan ones due to its stability.
And if karzai was such a good leader of Afganistan (Kabul really) wouldnt the drug production have gone down? Afganistan is producing more drugs than it ever did under a pashtun ruled government. Once the allied forces are out of Afganistan, afganistan will likely to be back to phase 1(its not like as if they have really moved onto the next phase).

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Karzai. not unlike Malaki, will sure see the writing on the wall for W and that is a good time to try and establish some power. Making such statements atleast keeps their names in the press.

That said, it is also quite well understood that neither Pakistan nor Afganistan can really control the connecting areas. Pakistan made the so called "deal' which basically is an apology of the Musharaf govt to the extremists IMO.

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^^ why we keep killing own people just for them who are never pleased anyway, Pakistan is not doing enough.... and now pakistan is trying to enslave... dumb a$$es dont even have proper army and talk about controlling whole Afghanistan. everyone knows who is in control of own country better. kabul mayor or Pakistan president!

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Desperate words, from a desperate man...

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Pakistani Politician Says Pakistan Backing Taliban

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/061215/ap/d8m1bh400.html

Pakistan must subject its intelligence agencies to parliamentary and legal controls to address suspicions they are supporting the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan, an opposition politician said.

Speaking at a conference on Pakistan-Afghan relations Thursday, government critics alleged that Pakistan was providing sanctuary to Taliban militants and had a policy to project Pakistan’s power inside Afghanistan.

“The issue is not whether people (militants) are going across the border, but whether they are going because of the government of Pakistan or despite the government of Pakistan,” said Farhatullah Babar, a former senator from the opposition Pakistan People’s Party.

“If there are allegations that people within the intelligence agencies have been acting as a state within a state when it comes to Afghanistan, we must bring the intelligence apparatus under some kind of law and parliamentary control,” he said.

Pakistan denies granting sanctuary to the Taliban, but is facing accusations from Afghan President Hamid Karzai that Islamabad is orchestrating the rebel movement _ concern shared by Western nations contributing to the overstretched NATO security force in Afghanistan. There’s also growing worries over a “Talibanization” of Pakistan’s border regions.

Pakistan announced Thursday it had arrested more than 500 suspected Taliban militants this year, but local experts at the conference claimed the military establishment had a dual policy of supporting the U.S.-led war on terrorism while also clandestinely backing the Taliban.

Afrasiab Khattak, a leader of the Pashtun nationalist Awami National Party, said the alleged policy was creating a “fundamentalist volcano” in the Pashtun tribal belt.

Sen. Mushahid Hussain, a leader of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League party, responded that Pakistan’s former policy of “strategic depth” inside Afghanistan _ the reasoning for its backing of the Taliban in the 1990s _ had been “officially discarded.”

“It does not suit us in any way to have an unstable neighboring country,” said Hussain, who is also chair of Pakistan’s Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Re: Pakistan ‘out to enslave Afghans’ K barks again!

table tennis kaafi kheli ho gi aap nay.. nice spin :stuck_out_tongue:

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Re: Pakistan ‘out to enslave Afghans’ K barks again!

Musharraf telling Karzai to stick it and go to hell. :k: