Pakistan Opening Crisis and Possibilities

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lets try some new names before the world cup n if they click who knows ....
i m very much in favour of giving fasial n riffatullah a series lets try them this will improve our fielding because both fasial n riffatullah are good fielders n riffat is superb as compared with salman who is rated as best after kaneria n as far as left right combination is concerned after sohail n saeed we tried lot of left hand openers but they all failed lets try those who are showing some talent ...

lets try these combination
fasial + akmal
faisal + riffatullah
akmal + riffatullah
tofeeq + rifatullah

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Make Yasir Hameed and Asim Kamal as openers for tests. Asim is the one who can hold the wicket and keep the scorboard moving. Yasir, atleast the guy dreams big, which is the first step. Guys like Taufiq or Farhat are just time pass players with no ambitions whatsoever. especially Taufiq should never be given a chance in the international team.

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I will not mind that, just ask him to send me his application :snooty:

Personally I don’t mind trying Faisal, but considering our nation’s, PCB’s behavior, if he fails as opener in this series and middle-order is jam packed he will be discarded for longer period of time i.e Misbah.

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I with you on this one Ehsan bhai. Butt has been given enough chances now and instead of improving, he keeps hitting new lows, eg. his dissmisal in the second innings yesterday. Farhat, although didnt do anything great, still looked a lot better and more comfortable than Butt did.

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lol...still the Butt supporters are saying he should be retained, arent u the same people who said kick Yasir out of team and keep him out because the same problem. Butt looked like he didnt know what he is doing, to be honest Butt wud prolly make a better middle order player than an opener, I say drop him, otherwise bring Yasir back also, make your choice.

Concerning Imran Farhat, he is a better opener than Butt, he just needs to mature more, and learn some patience, and he has been scoring decently recently so it would not make sense for him to be dropped and not Butt.

Concerning Faisal Iqbal, I say promote him to the opening slot, he has been scoring and should be rewarded for it, if he is dropped and Butt retained what kind of message will that send to him, he was basically playing as an opener in this test anyway, because who else is there Taufeeq Umar has even more technical issues than anybody else in the squad, and besides he hasn't been playing cricket recently so he will not be a good choice.

I would of liked Mohammad Hafeez in the squad since he did good in the limited amount of chances he got but was dropped because of his form in another form of the game. He is in form and probably the best opener in Pakistan at the moment.

So I say Farhat and Faisal should open for Pakistan.

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Faisal Iqbal made his debut 5 years ago and during this period has only played 13 matches and lately played those matches where he was not the first choice entry in the side. He was there because some other regular couldn't play.
Considering all that he has still performed much better than some other free loaders.

Yes if he fails as an opener, probably he will be discarded again for 1-2 years, which is nothing new for him. But still I think that is much better than dropping him from the side because younis was ready for comeback and Pakistan didn't want to change their opening combination.

It would be a shame if Faisal doesn't get a chance in the second test. People think that a failure as an opener would be a confidence shaker for Faisal Iqbal, but I think sitting on the bench as a 12th man and watching butt and farhat playing in the second test won't be a confidence boaster as well.

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Openers and Pakistan Cricket ...... well at the moment worlds apart

i for would like to start from my own memory which BTW doesn't date back that far

We've seen Afridi opening in ODIs ...... now everyone knows how he fared ...... and before one could realise what happend he had almost 170+ caps as an ODI player and most of it as an Opener ..... That tells u something about Afridis Limit but it speaks Volumes about those who handled him during that period
The management more foten than not sent him in in the sheer hope he would do some magic (which he BTW did but not as often as expected) everytime he steps out onto the field

The Result: Afridi spent more time thinking about how to fulfill the expectations than working on his game and iron out his weaknesses. He was given a role he could only rarely fill because he never had the Opportunity to grow into this role. It was not his fault. At least Woolmer understood that situation and took some steps of which we've seen enough positive evidence

My point is that our Structure and management gives Woolmer (and for that matter any coach) half players. Players who lack the basic technical abilities to play on this Level like Handling the slightest Swing or bounce. A judgement of Bowler and deliveries at which to play and which to leave. Temprament to stay on the wicket in difficult situations.

Our Openers have shown that they lack these qualities which are basic requirements for Test-Level Cricket. Yet we r unable to produce ppl with these qualities as often as we produce Fastbowlers. That tells u something about Domestic surfaces. Every medium pace bowler will be spanked all over the park by Opener (and following batters too) like we have. So for a bowler to survive in these conditions the only choice is Pace.

Our management hopes to get some Real Openers while they give all these guys a Net-Session (mostly short) under real life situations. This means they still know nothing about the root of the problem. Changing and chopping players will continue like before and our No. 3 and 4 will be virtual Openers. So why not have a bowler or 2 more in the final 11.

Please don't come up with stats which pair had the best avarage etc. etc. the point is that our Openers lack what it takes to be called Test-Level Opener. It's not their fault but more of the Environment they grew in as players.

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This is not a bad idea - definetely should be considered by the hiearchy.

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How will the above combinations be used - series by series or wait for each combination to fail?

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Just what I think. Butt should be the one making way and that would mean a much stronger batting order

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Yah, stronger batting lineup, Woolmer also said that Samiullah may make his debut in the second test, so that would be a stronger bowling lineup. Overall stronger team with more variety.

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Taufeeq Umer is flying to England to replace Malik, finally some good sense has prevailed.

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This chapter is closed, haven't you guys read Cha-Cha Woolmer (Cricinfo), Shoaib Malik is the solution and on the other end it will be musical chair's between Farhat and Butt, and look on the lighter side; musical chair will keep these guys fit and healthy to become water boys :D

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Mohd Hafeez? if you are going down that road ..might as well test Wasti or Elahi. Taufiq Umer can definitely entertain us with his disco dance moves on the pitch. :D

I personally believe the best candidate we have is Yasir Hameed. I would also stick with Salman Butt as he is more polished batsman than Farhat. Imran Farhat looks more confident player but in reality is an ordinary batsman and never looked comfortable even in his high scoring knocks.

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First off, lets end this crap about an extended run. Anyone who has been following Pakistan cricket for the past 18 months knows that BOTH Farhat AND Butt have got much more than extended run based on little except an odd score here or there on flat tracks. Look at Faisal, he ALWAYS performs when given the opportunity, even when he knows he will lose out his position regardless of his performance. If anyone deserves to complain about extended runs, it's him.

Second, there is no use dropping an opener and then bringing in another one with the same problem, or worse. If he wasn't good enough last time, what exactly has he done to prove he will be any different this time? For this reason alone, Hafeez, Hameed, Taufeeq are all automatically disqualified.

But since the selectors haven't been doing their job, we only have Taufeeq, Butt and Farhat to deal with this tour. I say drop both Farhat and Butt. It may sound harsh but lets be real, this Lord's wicket is as flat as it's going to get, and if they failed here then it doesn't bode too well for the rest of the series. Pakistan should open with Taufeeq who might have the hunger and desire to do well after a long time out of the side. With him should be Faisal Iqbal who despite being a middle order batsman, played with a LOT more assurance than any of our openers have ever displayed. At least he is a fighter who isn't scared to fight out in the middle instead of offering the customary tame catch behind the wicket.

This is a pretty bold approach, but I say drastic situations call for drastic measures. We can't be playing with 9 batsmen, it's as simple as that. It's not fair for our middle order to always have to play under the pressure of filling in the hole the openers have dug. We cannot ACCEPT failure at the top as a compromise.

Knowing the Pakistan think tank though, I wouldn't be surprised if both Farhat and Butt are opening again at Old Trafford's.

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which Malik is he going to replace, I hope not Shoaib Malik… may be some Saleem Malik :halo:

:bummer: damn we are going down again.

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aya ek aur hum khayal :k:

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Taufeeq set to play against Northamptonshire

By Khalid Hussain

LONDON: Opening batsman Taufeeq Umar arrived here on Monday as a replacement for the injured Shoaib Malik and got to work straight away as he is expected to open for Pakistan in a side game against Northamptonshire later this week.

A source in the Pakistan team told this correspondent on Monday that Taufeeq is certain to play in the four-day game in Northampton after the failure of Pakistani openers to score big at Lord’s.

Openers Salman Butt and Imran Farhat got out in both innings of the opening Test playing irresponsible shots and that fact has not gone down well with the Pakistan team’s think tank. In normal circumstances, the bad outings from the openers would have forced a change in the team right away but these are not normal circumstances for Pakistan. Already short of good, reliable opening batsmen, Pakistan suffered a blow when the talented Shoaib Malik was ruled out of the entire four-match Test series because of an elbow problem.

Pakistan came to England with three batsmen who could open and Shoaib (Malik) was one of them. The Pakistani management was hoping that either Salman or Imran or both would deliver at Lord’s where the conditions were perfect for batting. Four of the England batsmen scored tons in the Test while Mohammad Yousuf recorded a magnificent hundred but the highest knock by a Pakistan opener was a 33 from Imran.

Shoaib’s injury and the unimpressive display from Salman and Imran forced the team management to ask for Taufeeq, one of the players kept as reserves for the England tour by the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB). He flew into London along with medium pacer Rao Iftikhar Anjum, who is here to replace the injured Mohammad Asif in the 15-man Pakistan squad.

A solid batsman, Taufeeq has scored 1711 runs from 24 Tests at an average of 40.73 and has scored four tons. But the problem is that he hasn’t played for Pakistan for almost 16 months. His last Test was against India at Kolkata last March when he scored 18 and 35 in a 195-run defeat of Pakistan.

Taufeeq, 25, however will get a good chance to secure his Pakistan comeback if he plays in the match against Northamptonshire from July 20-23. A good showing from him in the match, would certainly get him a spot on the Pakistani playing eleven for the Old Trafford Test.

Source: http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=16052

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So we’ll c a batsmen doing rock’n roll on the crease before trying his utmost to connect with the ball once again … well after watching our current lot of Openers at Lords this move can only bring some good coz it can’t get any worse than what we got already :hehe:

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Yes you are correct Yasir Hameed starting his test career with awesome display against the mighty Bangladesh on the flat tracks of Pakistan. People suddenly became excited as to how brilliant player Pakistan has managed to find and will help improve the batting lineup. No doubt he is very exciting to watch when he gets going and has full array of shots but I still feel that he wouldn’t make much difference to the current problems as he has the same technical flaws in his batting as Butt and Farhat. I am not sure how much competitive cricket he has played recently and even if he is recalled back into the side, as a result of this he may not be able to contribute much to the team.

When I first saw Yasir Hameed I reserved my judgement as to how good he really was as i wanted to see him against a decent bowling attack on a surface or environment which is not famaliar with and after having seen him against Australia he looked so awful and had no answer to the moving ball.

In fact he looked more awful then the likes of Butt and Farhat. I am afraid he is not the solution to the current or the long term batting problems facing Pakistan.

When you question Pakistan player abilities and start critising them or the team - some people on this forum automatically assume that the person maybe anti Pakistan team, is assumed English or Indian supporter.

At present we are discussing the Pakistan opening crisis and possible options to resolve this problem, various possibilities and options have already been discussed. However, these are not a short term solutions but long term solution must be found not just for the opening pair but also for the weak Pakistan batting. Players like Inzi and Yousaf are not going to be around for ever and once they retire the batting is likely to get even weaker.

Some of the reasons for the failure of Pakistan batsmen have been highlighted nicely above and I totally agree with them.

The tracks in Pakistan do not test the technique of a player and they can play a certain shot and still get away with it; however the problem really occurs when they play away from the sub-continent on bouncy and swinging tracks – where our batsmen tend to struggle. Therefore it is important that they find batsmen who are not only good on the flat tracks of the sub-continent but have the ability to play on any type of surface – until this happens our batting problems will not go away.

Each player has some sort of weakness especially when they start their careers and it’s up to the coaches and the players themselves to improve their technique and should show signs of improvement each time they play. Players like Butt and Farhat rather then showing improvements are showing the same weakness each time they play and hierarchy should really be asking the question as to how long they can afford to play them before looking at the alternatives.

It is important that the PCB finds long term solutions to the Pakistan batting failures; talented and promising young batsmen should be groomed properly by the coaches. These players rather then getting selected for the senior team should be sent overseas to places such as Australia, England or South Africa to polish their techniques and get advanced coaching.

If they can afford to pay so much money and invite the likes of Boycott for batting coaching why can't they pay this sort of money and send the talented players overseas for proper coaching and invest in the future?

Once they are ready they should be selected for the senior team; what we are seeing in Pakistan is that the younger players are thrown in at the deep end who do not have the basic techniques or have the mental toughness to play at this level. Sometimes this works if the player is exceptionally talented but more often it fails.