Pakistan OKed Air Strike That Killed Troops .

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There is no such thing as independent media sources when all the information comes from ISAF or Pak military. Simply put there is no way in hell there are Pakistani Military officers on ISAF bases in Afghanistan. If it is proven I will give up my trolling ways and behave on GS. That is how bloody certain I am that it is not possible.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577074042444708750.html
The Pakistan army claimed in the statement that U.S. officials at a border coordination center later apologized privately for giving faulty coordinates.**The army denied the “border posts” were temporary campsites **-- as U.S. officials claimed in an article in the Wall Street Journal on Friday – but full military positions.

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=186445
The DGMO added there were four border communication centers coordinating operations against militants, adding that ISAF had violated all standard operations procedures during their Nov. 26 attack.

**The four centers **are located in Afghanistan, watch the video after 3:00

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Although its still under investigation but had this been true, they (NATO) would have told everyone including media in first hour after the tragedy. I do not believe its true

Secondly, I don’t believe on Pakistani spokesman either who called the attack a ‘delibrate’ attack.

With the information we have to-date, I blieve it was a friendly fire but new facts can unfold in investigation so we should wait.

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Look Firenze read what you quote. Volcano and Boulder were full military posts. Concrete with proper fortification. Youtube videos say that. The US military states that they were temporary. They were not border communication posts. You are confusing the two.

Look let me break this down very very simply.

  1. Border posts - Volcano and Boulder - that were attacked.
  2. Border Communication Posts - ISAF run in Afghanistan
  3. Regional tactical centers or fusion centres - the ones based in Pakistan are in Peshawar and Quetta and they have Pakistani and US personnel.

All of these three are distinct military entities. They are not the same. They are very very different.

There are no Pakistani military personnel based on ISAF bases in Afghanistan.

1 and 3 are Pakistani and based in Pakistan.
2 is based in Afghanistan only with ISAF personnel.

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abey i never talk about volcano & bolder being communication post. The coordination centers or where liaison officers are present located in Afghanistan or part of NATO bases.

by the way the tactical centers / fusion centers are not located in Peshawar and Quetta, back up you claims with links.

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Pentagon is saying that Pakistan has denied to join the investigation .

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There is no independent media. Rather our media may be more trustworthy on these issues than western media. Remember during Raymond saga, american media held the info that he was a CIA operatice untill they were cleared by Pentagon to do so.

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Firstly fusion centre: Pakistan shuts down U.S. 'intelligence fusion' cells

and

There ya go. If you want more links you can do a google search. The threat was to close them down. Its a mystery if they actually did just like Shamsi.

Anyway back to your ascertains. Please provide a link that states Pakistani Military officials are based in Afghanistan at NATO/ISAF bases.

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**Disinformation **warfare

The western lie machine is in full swing.

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and you think fox and wsj and nyt are independent media sources??? thats why you believe everything published in western media and anything that comes out of US/NATO militiary spokes men but believe nothing that ISPR says?

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You asked “who do you believe”?
My reply: Pakistan army in this case.

This is a possible scenario: There were Afghans working with Americans at that time. And Afghans hate Pakistan due to our past support to Taliban. So there might have been some “Ahmed Chalabi” among Afghans who convinced some American crusading warriors to attack Pakistani posts by making false stories.

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I have one easy way to understand truth .Understand our media .
They act on voice of establishment .
From yesterday media has forgotten these attacks.
They are diverted on memogate,although nothing new is there .
Simple
"Dal main kuchh kala hay "

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nobody forgot the attack Pasha sahab, news related to “Qomi salamti ki kamaiteee” confirming the earlier decisions on this has been on news all day yesterday, and general news related to the attack are on, of course unless there is some change in the status you will not see as “spicy” news as expected. apart from that, memogate is as much important and grave an event as the nato attack, none of these should be ignored.

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Where did I say I believe them ?
I just quoted them to bring out what they are all saying. I also said Pakistan is denying it and then I posed the million dollar question.
I do not want to insult your judgement , comprehension or emotionalism I would only appeal to you to please make sure you read a post twice before you comment.

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Not really , now Pakistani side is saying that they were given wrong information therefore they authorized the attacks.

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Mirch i’m sorry if my post did hurt you, but reading your post (and earlier posts on similar topics) many links which you posted, and the subject of this thread gives me impression that you were more inclined to believing this, as the subject is more of an statement rather than a question. its a relief to know that senior and respectable members do not believe every nonsense that is published in western media.

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How do you know that?? You don’t.

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All hearsay, sources, allegations and counter allegations aside, this is what I think (with perhaps 50% confidence level) happened:

  • Nato & Afghan troops conducting the hunt for terrorists did not inform Pak coordinators, probably fearing leakage
  • When the helicopters showed up the Pak troops fired on them, because they hadn’t been told of the raid
  • The NATo/AFghans then called in the location to Pak - the Pak authorities have said they called in the wrong location coordinates
  • The Pak authorities responded that there were no Pak troops in that area
  • The choppers then bombed the location and moved
  • Just when another group of Pak soldiers led by a Major came and took a (probably angry & frustrated) shot at the leaving choppers
  • The choppers returned thinking they had unfinished business

Without going into the right/wrong aspects yet, this seems to be the sequence of events.

If this is the case, two outstanding questions, taking both sides at face value:

  1. Why did the NATO guys call in the wrong location? IS their technology that bad?
  2. Why did the Pak troops fire at the choppers, knowing only the NATO forces & Pak forces have choppers, not the taleban or al qaeda
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^Bakwaas

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Apni local media machine konsi ahadeeth pesh karti rehti hain ???