Pakistan nukes outstrip India’s, officials say

Pakistan nukes outstrip India’s, officials say
U.S. reverses assessment of South Asia nuclear balance

By Robert Windrem and Tammy Kupperman

MSNBC.com NBC NEWS 06 June 2000

WASHINGTON, June 6 — Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is vastly superior to that of rival India, with up to five times the nuclear warheads, say U.S. military and intelligence officials now reassessing the South Asian balance of power. Interviews with senior U.S. officials in the past week revealed the view that Pakistan not only has more warheads than its longtime adversary, but has far more capability to actually use them.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS TESTS by India and Pakistan in May 1998 caught American intelligence off guard. While U.S. agencies long had known about weapons-development research in both countries, the decision by both to go public with their capabilities shocked policymakers.

Since then, U.S. intelligence and diplomacy has focused on South Asia with a new intensity. Until recently, for instance, Pakistan was considered to have somewhere between 10 and 15 nuclear weapons and India between 25 and 100.

But after two years of intelligence gathering, officials now believe those figures overstate the capabilities of India’s home-grown arsenal and understate those of Pakistan, whose program has relied on generous Chinese assistance. One official said the Pakistanis “are more likely to have those numbers [25 to 100 weapons] than the Indians.”

Perhaps most important, the official said, is that Pakistan appears far more capable than India of delivering nuclear payloads. “I don’t think their [the Indian] program is as advanced as the Paks,” the official said, speaking particularly of ballistic missiles.

Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni, commander of the U.S. Central Command, said longtime assumptions that India had an edge in the South Asian strategic balance of power were questionable, at best.

“Don’t assume that the Pakistani nuclear capability is inferior to the Indians,” said Zinni, the senior U.S. officer responsible for the Middle East and South Asia.

Other military and intelligence officials, as well as an intelligence analysis of South Asia’s nuclear balance obtained by NBC News, shed more light on the revised view. NBC News is the broadcast partner of the MSNBC.com joint venture.

“They both have a capability,” said one senior military official. “Pakistan’s may be better than India’s, with more weapons and more capability.

“You can’t underestimate the Pakistani program,” said the official. Like most of the officials NBC News contacted, this one would speak only on condition of anonymity.
DOCUMENTS SUPPORT REVISED VIEW

These officials believe India understands that it is behind. A recent Defense Department analysis of the Indian program obtained by MSNBC.com states that India is moving to address its shortcomings.

Quoting India’s recently publicized draft nuclear doctrine, the Defense Department report said that “India announced its plans to develop a minimum nuclear deterrent force comprised of a triad of nuclear delivery systems — air, mobile land-based launches and sea-based platforms. The air component of its triad is the only one that may be in place already.”

The U.S. report also states that “India probably has a handful of nuclear bombs,” meaning about five. With regard to delivery systems — the missiles and bombers needed to launch a nuclear strike — U.S. officials now believe Indian capabilities to be seriously lagging.

According to the Defense Department document, which is unclassified, India has no nuclear-capable missiles and fewer aircraft capable of delivering a nuclear payload than Pakistan does. India has twice tested a new intermediate-ranged missile, the Agni, which may eventually provide the basis of a nuclear missile force. However, current U.S. analysis suggests the Agni will not be fielded with nuclear warheads for another 10 years. Additionally, India appears to only have begun work on missile warhead design and on the miniaturization of weapons — two critical hurdles to the actual use of weapons.

The U.S. assessment of Pakistan, on the other hand, has been greatly upgraded.

A U.S. official stated that Pakistani air and missile delivery systems are now believed to be “fully capable of a nuclear exchange if something happens.” Other officials noted that Pakistan’s air force, with its U.S. F-16’s and its French Mirage fighter-bombers, are superior at penetrating enemy airspace than India’s Soviet-designed MiGs and Sukhois.

Most importantly, Pakistan is now thought to possess about 30 nuclear-capable missiles: the Chinese M-11 short-range missile and its Pakistani variant, the Tarmuk, as well as the North Korean Nodong intermediate-range missile (known locally as the Ghauri).
HAIR-TRIGGER CONCERN
The mystery that shrouds both of these growing nuclear arsenals has become a major cause for concern among U.S. policymakers, who even before the 1998 tests had deemed South Asia the most likely site of a nuclear war.

According to one analysis done by the U.S. Air Force, more than 150 million Indians and Pakistanis could perish in an all-out nuclear exchange — three times the total number of people who died in World War II.

One frequently cited fear among U.S. intelligence officials is an accidental nuclear war in which Pakistan mistakes the firing of an Indian missile bearing a conventional warhead as a nuclear strike.

Despite what appears to be a healthy fear of the other on both sides, the United States still fears there could be a series of crises that lead to something worse. Last year’s Pakistani incursion in the Kargil area of Kashmir, the disputed Muslim territory controlled by India, is a good example of the region’s unpredictability.

“Kargil scared both sides,” Zinni said. “There is usually a gentleman’s agreement to keep conflict around the Line of Control,” he said, referring to the U.N. cease-fire line set after the two nations’ 1947 war over the region. “It escalated with mobilizations on different fronts — tit for tat. Both sides are now very concerned about how escalation works and how it could happen very quickly.”

Zinni said the United States intervened in the “nick of time” with Kargil. The United States doesn’t exert much influence on the daily level of fighting, but a senior military official does believe that Washington has some sway in terms of escalation because neither side really wants an all-out war, despite some hard-liners on both side who publicly claim they want to bring the issue to a head.
http://www.fas.org/news/pakistan/2000/000606-indopak-nbc.htm

This article says that Pak has more nuclear warheads than India(which is true) but why is it that BBC and a lot of other sources say that India has more warheads than Pak?

BTW, CNN even said that Pak has more warheads than India.

This is a US media source doing the reporting and the story is based upon the statements of senior US military officials.

How can you possibly believe such non-credible sources? Surely, the media source is just parroting what the US government wants people to believe. Now we must ferret out what nefarious agenda the US is pursuing by releasing this propaganda.

myvoice

try letting go of the sarcasm every once in a while. May work wonders for your blood pressure.

So what does the re-assessment really mean? Intelligence was wrong the first time, this time, or as conpiracy theorists would say "there is a hidden purpose"

This could also be a trick. They will say our N wepons are better so india can have more Missiles or what ever to balance the whole situatio.

Fraudia:
Why do you assume the post was sarcasm? Maybe I have seen the light, become a believer and metamorphised into an American Jihadi.

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Nah. I guess you’re right, it wasn’t very subtle.

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But every time I post a US media source quoting high US officials, I get responses like the one I posted above. Seems to me that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. And, I’m glad you didn’t totally discount the possibility that there is a “hidden purpose” in the US announcing this reassessment through US media sources. Maybe we’re trying to lull Pakistan into a false sense of security about their nuclear arsenal. Maybe we’re trying to scare the be-Jesus out of India. Maybe the administration is trying to convince the American people that Pakistan is a threat so that we can justify a future invasion.

BTW: I recently got my physical and my blood pressure is on the low side. Thanks for your concern though.

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Pakistans aresenal is smaller than India's, but is definitely alot better, thats what international opinion is. One thing that amazes me... When CNN says something, all of our so called Al-Q supporters say its lies, but when they say something pleasing to their ears, all of a sudden CNN becomes a credible news source...

As for the superiority of Pakistani nukes, this is due to sheer hard work and determination of not only some of our leaders, but our great scientists as well. There are also reports that some Indian nuclear tests failed. Although Im not saying this is true or false, the fact that such rumours are there point to the fact that Indian nukes are infact, unreliable and in other words 'corroded & worn down soviet trash'...

I agree with TAZZ, that this news item may be for us to become arrogant and stop developing over nuclear and other arsenals further. Because as far as the Pakistani Nuclear weapons are concerned, US will make sure that they are not able to land on India, and for that they are devising the Missile shield. In addition to these weapons, Pakistan should also try to improve its conventional weaponary, and our Navy and Air Force. As Airforce is a very important part of the warfare these days.

To all the INDIANS…Wine and B1tch all you want, but when it comes down to it, our program is way superior to yours… I know how much that hurts. Could Pakistan actually be BETTER then you!!!
According to most, we are…
India Sucks..

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yOu asked if Pakistan can be Better than you…as a prophalactic for the US, absolutely. Not much in everything else, I think. Anyway, a great day for all Pakistanis. I can’t wait to see the replica down madison avenue on August 14th. It would look smashing atop the yellow cab.

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maybe thats a conspiracy too

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a high US official once used US media to deliver this message

" I did not have" ..something something “..with that woman”

You can understand why people can be a little skeptical

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You guys keeping your replicas at motel 8s?

wait a minute,whole world knows when it comes to defence related information and research,the most reliable source is janes defence weekly. now look what do they say.
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jsws/jsws020530_1_n.shtml

so,indians dont have to wine, even ten nukes are sufficient for india wipe out whole pakistan.

AS an Indian, I think I absolutely need to wine. Contrary to whatever GKG or AA think.

Regarding the nuke issue...it is ridiculous that people still get so excited about such ghastly comparisons. Yours will wipe out entire cities, while ours will burn only the flesh off of the people. There are better places to put the resources of both the countries, in education, infra and medicine.

Man…u r a dream spoiler…

err err err JDW reported 3 bad Paki nuclear scientist defected to US right after the nuclear test in 1998… So you can draw your own conclusions… Wait a minute lets see what the national security advisor to Indian govt. Prof. Bahrat Karnad had to say about all this. Well he basically said

“we are great at fooling ourself”

First question. Are Pakistan’s nuclear weapons superior to what India has?

I have been saying this for almost two years, since the May 1998 tests. The case I am making is that unless we test, and do so repeatedly, we will not be able to have deployable or usable weapons. We will have computer-designed weapons which can be exploded in computer simulations. But that is not the same as the real thing. Without physical testing, we will never know whether our nuclear weapons work.

We don’t have that amount of data, especially on the thermonuclear device. The one thermonuclear explosion we had was a fizzle, which has now been admitted by our top scientists like P K Iyengar. So what data do we have for the thermonuclear weapon, which is a decisive weapon in any nuclear arsenal?

And I have said that if we don’t test more, not only are we going to be no match for the Chinese,** but we will find it difficult to match even the Pakistanis when it comes to deployable arms. ** After all, the Chinese have conducted some 50-odd tests and have a whole battery of data to use for comparing their computer simulations and to constantly upgrade their weapons.

wine? not whine?

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chalta hai. I agree with you. Maybe we collectively need to mature a bit.

I think I will settle for wine

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<<I have been saying this for almost two years, since the May 1998 tests. >>>

Abdali: Now you know very well that no one really takes your thoughts that seriously. We are just humoring you.

(Someone had to say it!! Don’t shoot the messenger)

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Anyway, whether Long dong missile or Agni-shagni, it’s to the detriment of both countries that they are engaging in this dangerous game.