Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

http://www.dawn.com/2006/10/13/top3.htm

WASHINGTON, Oct 12: Experts quoted in a US think-tank report have rejected claims that Pakistan’s intelligence agencies were involved in the Mumbai or London blasts.

The prestigious Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), which has several former secretaries of state and other senior officials among its board members, notes that experts are sceptical about the validity of the recent British and Indian charges against Pakistan.

“The two nations have a history of finger-pointing, and … there is a tendency to exaggerate,” says the report while commenting on the Indian claim that the ISI planned the July bombing of the Mumbai commuter trains.

Endorsing an attack on India, reasons the report, would undermine President Pervez Musharraf’s own policy.

“Pakistan is genuinely trying to open up relations with India,” says Kathy Gannon, who covered the region for decades for the Associated Press.

Marvin G. Weinbaum, an expert on Afghanistan and Pakistan at the Middle East Institute, believes that the British report about ISI’s involvement in terrorist attacks makes “too broad a statement”.

Though Pakistan does offer safe haven to Kashmiri groups, and perhaps some Taliban fighters, the suggestion that the ISI is responsible for the 7/7 bombings of London’s mass transit system is “a real stretch,” Ms Gannon says.

Some experts say President Musharraf exercises firm control over his intelligence agency. “I do not accept the thesis that the ISI is a rogue organisation,” says William Milam, former US ambassador to Pakistan. “It’s a disciplined army unit that does what it’s told, though it may push the envelope sometimes.”

But other experts say that with a reported staff of 10,000, the ISI is hardly monolithic: “Like in any secret service, there are rogue elements,” says Frederic Grare, a South Asia expert and visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment. He points out that many of the ISI’s agents have ethnic and cultural ties to Afghan insurgents, and naturally sympathise with them.

The report quotes President Musharraf, who addressed a CFR meeting during his recent visit to the US, as rejecting such allegations as ‘ridiculous.’

In May 2006, the British chief of staff for southern Afghanistan told The Guardian: “The thinking piece of the Taliban is out of Quetta in Pakistan. It’s the major headquarters,” The report notes.

In his address to the Council, Gen Musharraf responded to such accusations, saying “it is the most ridiculous thought that the Taliban headquarters can be in Quetta.”

The report, however, claims that the ISI has supported a number of militant groups in Kashmir and Afghanistan, some of which are on the State Department’s Foreign Terrorist Organisations list.

CFR report quotes Ms Gannon as saying that the ISI’s previous support to these groups consisted of “money, weapons, and training”.

Mr Milam, however, says that “the ISI probably would not define what they’ve done in the past as terrorism.”

The report notes that Pakistani officials deny any current support for the Taliban, which the State Department does not deem a terrorist group but claims that the ISI has supported Afghan insurgents in the past.

Referring to President Musharraf’s recent statement that retired ISI agents may be helping Taliban fighters, the report says: “It suggests his government knows of at least some unsanctioned Pakistani support for the Afghan insurgency.”

The report, however, points out that Gen Musharraf’s acknowledgement also gives him ‘plausible deniability’ of any sanctioned assistance Pakistan is accusing of providing.”

Prof Weinbaum says Pakistan has sent ‘retired’ ISI agents on missions the government could not officially endorse. Some observers believe Pakistan’s duplicity is deliberate: “Musharraf’s been playing with us since day one,” Mr Grare says.

Mr Weinbaum claims that Pakistan has largely ignored Taliban fighters on its soil. “There are extremist groups that are beyond the pale with which the ISI has no influence at all,” he says. “Those are the ones they go after.”

The report quotes some experts as saying that Pakistan wants to see a stable, friendlier government emerge in Afghanistan and believes that an increased Taliban influence, especially in the government, might help achieve this target. “Supporting the Taliban also allows Pakistan to hedge its bets should the Nato coalition pull out of Afghanistan,” the report adds.

“Pakistan has two policies: one is an official policy of promoting stability in Afghanistan; the other is an unofficial

policy of supporting jihadis in order to appease political forces within Pakistan,” says Mr Weinbaum.

The report quotes Ms Gannon as saying that in Kashmir, militant groups serve as Pakistan’s “second line of defence and offence.”

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

They will only know when they get a direct hit on Pentogon with a made in pakistan bomb.:)

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

^ did you forget to read the article which mentioned that all the accused retracted their "confessions" as they were forced by police? You know all is not well in Indian investigations/police system. India needs to establish some credibility to prove that Pakistan is really behind the attacks. Cry wolf will only work sometimes.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

extremely pathetic lies on the parts of both Dawn and mercenary2k.

why has mercenary2k added the words "says USA" to the title?

the original article's title does not include this. that is because a random think-tank is not "the USA".

further, 95% of this article has nothing to with the Mumbai blasts, yet this is the title. 99% of the actual report had nothing to do with the Mumbai blasts.

more importantly, what is there in the comments of this think-tank that equate to a "rejection"?

the headline would lead us to believe this think-tank has analyzed evidence and come to some conclusion (which is completely false), when in the actual report, which i have read, there is nothing more than this vague and inconclusive comment: "some observers may not be convinced of the charges".

from that one comment in a long report, 99% about the ISI and taliban, we have a headline story in pakistan's major daily newspaper. in fact, it isn't even a report...just an FAQ about the ISI's links to terrorism.

what a joke.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

yes.. CFR is a ‘random’ think tank :rolleyes:

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

we all know the indian justice system is weak. the fact that mr singh was blameing pakistan right from the off, was always going to backfire. pakistan simply did not instigate the blasts. trying to find links is not doing justice in india any good. the real culprits probably cant believe their luck.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

So you would give credibility to an article which was 100% dedicated to Mumbai blasts?

[quote]
more importantly, what is there in the comments of this think-tank that equate to a "rejection"?
[/quote]

[quote]
WASHINGTON, Oct 12: Experts quoted in a US think-tank report have rejected claims that Pakistan’s intelligence agencies were involved in the Mumbai or London blasts.
[/quote]

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

no, i’m pointing out the pathetic nature of Dawn journalism.

as for the quote you posted…this lie is what i described in my post as moronic journalism by Dawn. please re-read what i wrote. i read the actual CFR “report”.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

The Dawn newspaper is spot on, as one can read from the actual report from the CFR site.

How valid are the recent British and Indian charges against Pakistan?

Experts are skeptical. Indian officials claim to have evidence that the ISI planned the July bombing of the Mumbai commuter trains, but the charges seem unlikely to some observers of the long, difficult India-Pakistan relationship. The two nations have a history of finger-pointing, and while some of the allegations hold water, there is a tendency to exaggerate. Furthermore, endorsing an attack on India would undermine Musharraf’s own policy. “Pakistan is genuinely trying to open up relations with India,” Gannon says.

In Weinbaum’s view, the British report—which London insists is not a statement of policy—makes “too broad a statement.” Though Pakistan does offer safe haven to Kashmiri groups, and perhaps some Taliban fighters, the suggestion that the ISI is responsible for the 7/7 bombings of London’s mass transit system is “a real stretch,” Gannon says.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/11644/

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

Not a SINGLE country in the world has backed India's allegations against Pakistan on the Mumbai attacks, which is quite telling. It probably also explains the fury of Indian posters.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA


Lets say Dawn is trash, did you see in CFR report what it says about Pakistan's involvement in Mumbai's blast?

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

^ They say that they are skeptical but do not rubbish it like some of you guys want to believe.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

^ Has someone else (non-Indian) accepted the evidences India provided as substantial enough to say Pakistan is behind it all?

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

So when is the evidence being handed over? Still typing up how the Mumbai Police “cracked” the case?

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

so this respectable think thank, CFR has rubbished the claims by Mumbai

that the end of that...

Like I said all along, right wing hindus were behing these blasts

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

Actually gandhi farted from his grave, that was da real dhamaka in da dhoti which really caused the Xplosion. ISI planted a detonator in gandhi's dhoti.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

this “respectable think tank” didn’t rubbish anything nor would they be in any position to.

some guy at this think-tank, who is obviously not privy to internal indian police evidence nor does he claim to have conducted any analysis or research, estimating that “some observers might find it unlikely” based on his perceptions of the Indo-pak peace process is just that - a guy making an openly inconclusive guess.

again, for pakistanis to take that as some great exoneration and proof of innocence is utterly pathetic. clearly it is not just Dawn that is desperate, but even forum posters.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

Not a SINGLE country in the world has backed India’s allegations against Pakistan on the Mumbai attacks, which is quite telling.

I doubt the Indian leaders themselves believe the allegations of some of their policemen who tortured confessions out of suspects (who later denied any involvement in the attacks). After all why would Manmohan Singh have met President Musharraf in Cuba recently, if he took the word of corrupt Indian policemen seriously?

The original allegations are as weak as some of the Indian arguments here.

Re: Pakistan not behind Mumbai Blasts says USA

If you are talking about pathetic journalism, look no further than your own newspapers and web-sites. Indeed, we have plenty bad journalism in Pakistan but it is still less than what is in India. There is no desperation in us as we have come to realise that what ever happens in India, desperate Indian politicians will try to involve Pakistan in it. You can only say "cry wolf" so many times.