Pakistan new weapons would do greater damage to the large cities of its rival, India

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What are you talking about?

Pakistan first carried out it’s successfull nuclear test on 11 March 1983, known as the ‘cold test’. Thereafter, more than 20+ other cold tests were carried out. Little bombs were made and tested with the F-16s. Today, Pakistan’s 70+ Mirage III/Vs’ where abouts are unknown because they are armed with nuclear bombs.

… **KIRANA HILLS, SARGODHA: THE COLD TESTS **

Pakistan’s first cold test of its nuclear device was carried out on 11 March 1983 in the Kirana Hills near Sargodha, home of the Pakistan Air Force’s main air base and the Central Ammunition Depot (CAD). Cold Test (CT) is a means of testing the working of a nuclear device without a nuclear explosion and the resultant radiation. This is achieved by triggering an actual bomb by initiating a chain reaction but without the radioactive fissile material needed to detonate it. The test was overseen by Dr. Ishfaq Ahmed.

The tunnels at Kirana Hills, Sargodha are reported to have been bored after those at Chagai, i.e. sometime between 1979 and 1983. As in Chagai, the tunnels at Kirana Hills had been bored and then sealed and this task was also undertaken by SDW. …

After clearing of the tunnels, a PAEC diagnostic team headed by Dr. Samar Mubarakmand arrived on the scene with trailers fitted with computers and diagnostic equipment. This was followed by the arrival of the Wah Group with the actual nuclear device, in sub-assembly form. The device was assembled and then placed inside the tunnel. A monitoring system was set up with around 20 cables linking various parts of the device with oscillators in diagnostic vans parked near the Kirana Hills. The Wah Group had indigenously developed the explosive HMX (His Majesty’s Explosive) which was used to trigger the device.

The device was tested using the “push-button” technique as opposed to the “radio-link” technique used at Chagai fourteen years later. The first test was to see whether the triggering mechanism created the necessary neutrons which would start a fission chain reaction in the real bomb. However, when the button was pushed, most of the wires connecting the device to the oscillators were severed due to errors committed in the preparation of the cables. At first, it was thought that the device had malfunctioned but closer scrutiny of two of the oscillators confirmed that the neutrons had indeed come out and a chain reaction had taken place. Pakistan’s first cold test of a nuclear device had been successful and 11 March became a red letter day in the calendar of the Pakistan nuclear programme. A second cold test was undertaken soon afterwards which was witnessed by, among others, Ghulam Ishaq Khan, Finance Minister, Lt. Gen. K.M. Arif, Chief of Staff and Munir Ahmed Khan, Chairman, PAEC.

The need to improve and perfect the design of Pakistan’s first nuclear device required constant testing. As a result, between 1983 and 1990, the Wah Group conducted more than 24 cold tests of the nuclear device at Kirana Hills with the help of mobile diagnostic equipment. These tests were carried out in 24 horizontal-shaft tunnels measuring 100-150 feet in length which were bored inside the Kirana Hills. Later due to excessive US intelligence and satellite focus on the Kirana Hills site, it was abandoned and the CT facility was shifted to the Kala-Chitta Range.

By March 1984, Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) had independently carried out its own cold tests of its nuclear device near Kahuta.

Also, during the 1983-1990 period, the Wah Group went on to design and develop an atomic bomb small enough to be carried on the wing of a small fighter such as the F-16. It worked alongside the PAF to evolve and perfect delivery techniques of the nuclear bomb including ‘conventional free-fall’, ‘loft bombing’, ‘toss bombing’ and ‘low-level laydown’ attack techniques using combat aircraft. Today, the PAF has perfected all four techniques of nuclear weapons delivery using F-16 and Mirage-V combat aircraft indigenously configured to carry nuclear weapons.

Where Mountains Move: The Story of Chagai

Re: Pakistan new weapons would do greater damage to the large cities of its rival, In

Oh my bad, I meant the missiles. I wrote the post so fast that I mixed it all up!! In US, it is USAF that controls the missile program unlike Pakistan / India.
Anyway, that guy said that you need to miniaturized the nukes for missiles and he wasn't sure about it. This is why he said that PAF has that plan of 'suicide attack' on indian targets if push comes to shove.

Even if we are using Mirages, the indian SAM system will pick them up not to mention Mirage 2000s, MiG-29 or even Sukhois [maybe used as a bomber?]. I hope we had some other fighters. The Mirages are at the end of their life. Also, I think only the ROSE upraded Mirages are capable of delivering nukes. There was also talk of putting one nuke on A-5s [another flying coffin of PAF]. I seriously hope we retired them..

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Yes, MAD is proven between 2 nuclear armed nations. No 2 nuclear states have ever gone to war. Nor ever will.

Re: Pakistan new weapons would do greater damage to the large cities of its rival, In

Why did America drop bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima? :5:

Re: Pakistan new weapons would do greater damage to the large cities of its rival, In

please tell us more about strike capabilities especially the 3rd. Shri amreeka and Shri Russkie will be far more interested then us bad pakis coz they have always had 2nd but could never figure out 3d 4th 5th 6th…LOL…

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lolz lolzz

Re: Pakistan new weapons would do greater damage to the large cities of its rival, In

And we’re just supposed to believe this unknown person on another board, right? :hehe:

Both countries have this miniturization capability, and IAF’s primary method of nuking (if I remember correctly) is by air, due to some issues they have with their liquid-feuled SS missles.

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Controlled by the American president.

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and Israel in 1973 by Egypt and Syria

Re: Pakistan new weapons would do greater damage to the large cities of its rival, In

to end WWII

Re: Pakistan new weapons would do greater damage to the large cities of its rival, In

Wouldn't it end the war or skew it in favor of one side due to the 'shock & awe' nature of nukes in an indo pak scenario?

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^ the japs deserved it more than anyone else, in anycase the bombs saved the japs from the soviets ....just read about japs atrocities in china and korea and against POWs

far bigger atrocities are fireraids against dresden and hamburg

Re: Pakistan new weapons would do greater damage to the large cities of its rival, In

Well maybe yeah but what about the manipulations and illegal US invasions of vietnam, iraq, almost all of latin america at one time or the other? Soviet and their gulags weren’t nice places to be if you know what i mean.. Actually I think Stalin killed more people than hitler did.

I guess it is all about Might is Right. :slight_smile: I was just answering to this pay-for-hire soldier nick from toronto about why it is OK for America to have and use them but Pakistan can’t. This guy seriously has an inferiority complex [like our deobandi / wahabi “brothers” :omg: and their saudi fascination].