Death for men that convert out of Islam.
Life imprisonment for women that convert out of Islam.
Whats your take? I see more and more people on this board going agnostic, atheist and if this somehow reflects anyhting about pakistani society, I think it is required! Also it is part of Sharia law and the pakistani constitution states clearly that all laws should be based on Islam and the Sunnah.
Re: Pakistan needs apostasty laws?
Death for men that convert out of Islam. Life imprisonment for women that convert out of Islam.
Whats your take? I see more and more people on this board going agnostic, atheist and if this somehow reflects anyhting about pakistani society, I think it is required! Also it is part of Sharia law and the pakistani constitution states clearly that all laws should be based on Islam and the Sunnah.
Islamo-Fascists=Kharajis.
If there ever was a need for death punishment then these Islamo-Fascists or Kharajites deserve the death punishment simply because they understand language of death and death only.
Re: Pakistan needs apostasty laws?
Death for men that convert out of Islam. Life imprisonment for women that convert out of Islam.
Whats your take? I see more and more people on this board going agnostic, atheist and if this somehow reflects anyhting about pakistani society, I think it is required! Also it is part of Sharia law and the pakistani constitution states clearly that all laws should be based on Islam and the Sunnah.
Let the Ultimate JUDGE be the JUDGE:)
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Islamo-Fascists=Kharajis.
If there ever was a need for death punishment then these Islamo-Fascists or Kharajites deserve the death punishment simply because they understand language of death and death only.
Au Contraire mon naive frere....Islamo-fascist = a misnomre used by neocons and zionists to describe those who resist neo-imperialism...
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Death for men that convert out of Islam. Life imprisonment for women that convert out of Islam.
Whats your take? I see more and more people on this board going agnostic, atheist and if this somehow reflects anyhting about pakistani society, I think it is required! Also it is part of Sharia law and the pakistani constitution states clearly that all laws should be based on Islam and the Sunnah.
I think the capital punishment is for treason associated with apostacy not apostacy by itself. An apostate is not aking anything away from the state unless they are conspiring against it in which case treason carries maximum punishment whether by an apostate or even a muslim traitor.
Re: Pakistan needs apostasty laws?
Death for men that convert out of Islam. Life imprisonment for women that convert out of Islam.
Whats your take? I see more and more people on this board going agnostic, atheist and if this somehow reflects anyhting about pakistani society, I think it is required! Also it is part of Sharia law and the pakistani constitution states clearly that all laws should be based on Islam and the Sunnah.
People have gone agnostic and atheist because of people like you who advocate death and life sentances for people who dont follow Islam the way you or others would like them to. Even if people are relgious, people like you who question their motives are enough to make people want nothing to do with any relgion that you ascribe to... Personaly, if we were in front of a crowd of non Muslims and you started saying things like this, I would try my damdest to not associate with you.
Perhaps instead of ranting and raving, you should evaluate WHY people arent following Islam, and what you can do to present Islam in such a way that doesnt make it seem like some kind of punishment.
And finally, Sharia needs to be modernized.. If Islam is a religion that cant change with the time, then Islam isnt a religion worth following.
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People have gone agnostic and atheist because of people like you who advocate death and life sentances for people who dont follow Islam the way you or others would like them to. Even if people are relgious, people like you who question their motives are enough to make people want nothing to do with any relgion that you ascribe to... Personaly, if we were in front of a crowd of non Muslims and you started saying things like this, I would try my damdest to not associate with you. Perhaps instead of ranting and raving, you should evaluate WHY people arent following Islam, and what you can do to present Islam in such a way that doesnt make it seem like some kind of punishment. And finally, Sharia needs to be modernized.. If Islam is a religion that cant change with the time, then Islam isnt a religion worth following.
PakPat, I think you got emotional here. The scriptural information about apostacy has not been viewed in the proper context and ofcourse common sense. These miscopnceptions exist because specific situations were generalized by scholars and distinctions were not made whether capital punishment was given for apostacy or high treason.
I would not say if Islam can't changed or modernized, I hope you understand what your implications are. I think it should be whether you can still follow Islamic precepts even in a modern day setup.
And as for Quran carrying the message of what awaits you in the hereafter should you not follow the rules set by Allah SWT and not telling this is also a grave injustice. Your goal should not be to save yourself from them but to save them from the hellfire and get the pleasure of Allah SWT.
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Au Contraire mon naive frere....Islamo-fascist = a misnomre used by neocons and zionists to describe those who resist neo-imperialism...
Dear French frie,
You need to read Islamic history, search for Kharajittes and u will find your answer. Islam has had it share of Islamo-Fascists called Kharajittes immediately after the Prophets death.
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So which one of you brave folks is willing to travel to my place and execute me? Surely if you believe that apostates are to be executed, you can't just do nothing or you'd be complicit, no?
Re: Pakistan needs apostasty laws?
Death for men that convert out of Islam. Life imprisonment for women that convert out of Islam.
Whats your take? I see more and more people on this board going agnostic, atheist and if this somehow reflects anyhting about pakistani society, I think it is required! Also it is part of Sharia law and the pakistani constitution states clearly that all laws should be based on Islam and the Sunnah.
I believe on the Islamic punishments BUT those should be the last item on agenda to implement after having a model Islamic state. I fails to understand why these mullah want these to be implemented first of all. All of your other system need to switch to Islam too before we can have Islamic punishments.
People need to give Zakat so that poor can be helped with that money. I'll not object cutting of hands IF no person sleeps hungry in the nation and so on...
Basically country should be a Islamic welfare state only then we should implement the Islamic punishments.
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I believe on the Islamic punishments BUT those should be the last item on agenda to implement after having a model Islamic state. I fails to understand why these mullah want these to be implemented first of all. All of your other system need to switch to Islam too before we can have Islamic punishments.
People need to give Zakat so that poor can be helped with that money. I'll not object cutting of hands IF no person sleeps hungry in the nation and so on...
Basically country should be a Islamic welfare state only then we should implement the Islamic punishments.
Good post & I agree
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By the way, why must you validate the divinity of your faith by counting the number of people who believe in the same God as you? You must be pretty insecure about your faith to want to see other people appear similar to you even if the only thing that keeps them doing so is the fear of death.
Re: Pakistan needs apostasty laws?
Death for men that convert out of Islam. Life imprisonment for women that convert out of Islam.
Whats your take? I see more and more people on this board going agnostic, atheist and if this somehow reflects anyhting about pakistani society, I think it is required! Also it is part of Sharia law and the pakistani constitution states clearly that all laws should be based on Islam and the Sunnah.
People who convert from Islam to any other religion should not be executed or nothing should happen to them, its their own will. Executing apostates is a myth concocted by Arabs.
What happened was that in Taif, several Arab tribes converted to Islam when Prophet Muhammed was alive. After he died, they reverted back to idol worshipping BUT also building up armies to over throw the government in Makkah. For that reason the Muslim armies attacked Taif and pretty much killed them off.
Arabs and Muslims who support execution for apostasy use this example. But what they fail to realize is there was treason involved in those idolaters actually building up armies to over throw the government and thus were killed.
Similarly, the same example can be applied to our Tribal areas where these tribal animals are sheltering foreign terrorists and building up armies to overthrow the pakistani government and kill pakistani troops.
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PakPat, I think you got emotional here. The scriptural information about apostacy has not been viewed in the proper context and ofcourse common sense. These miscopnceptions exist because specific situations were generalized by scholars and distinctions were not made whether capital punishment was given for apostacy or high treason.
I would not say if Islam can't changed or modernized, I hope you understand what your implications are. I think it should be whether you can still follow Islamic precepts even in a modern day setup.
And as for Quran carrying the message of what awaits you in the hereafter should you not follow the rules set by Allah SWT and not telling this is also a grave injustice. Your goal should not be to save yourself from them but to save them from the hellfire and get the pleasure of Allah SWT.
What infuriates me about Muslims, is that they sacrafice logic and humanity for the sake of relgion.
Logic should define relgion, it shouldnt be held hostage to religion.
We are living in a dynamic world, and nothing remains the same. Logic dictates that as circumstances and reality changes, laws must also change.
I think what drives people away from Islam, is people who advocate writing religion in stone.
The thought that someone could be killed for converting is barbaric to say the least. This among many other things in the Muslim faith based on perhaps outdated notions prevent Muslims from progressing.
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What infuriates me about Muslims, is that they sacrafice logic and humanity for the sake of relgion. Logic should define relgion, it shouldnt be held hostage to religion. We are living in a dynamic world, and nothing remains the same. Logic dictates that as circumstances and reality changes, laws must also change. I think what drives people away from Islam, is people who advocate writing religion in stone. The thought that someone could be killed for converting is barbaric to say the least. This among many other things in the Muslim faith based on perhaps outdated notions prevent Muslims from progressing.
I some what agree, Quran did not come to put our mind out of commission. As for killling apostates, I am of the same opinion as yours. I have read the ayat from Quran regarding this matter again and again and read the ahadith, I could never convince myself to come to the conclusion that apostacy (by itself) is punishable by death. I could not find a reason that says that a person in rebellion to Allah SWT has no right to live. The Quranic ayat were revealed around very specific circumstances in which case the apostacy was accompanied with reason and the apostates were going to combat the muslims, which is why they were killed not only because they were apostates. The matter of an apostate is between Allah SWT and him in my opinion and does not concern us unless his apostacy is accompanied with efforts to destabilize the muslims. The shady interpretation of the Quranic verses pertinent to this matter has given a license to kill for muslims by scholars.
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Very good posts, we have hope.
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Dear French frie,
You need to read Islamic history, search for Kharajittes and u will find your answer. Islam has had it share of Islamo-Fascists called Kharajittes immediately after the Prophets death.
Thanks for enlightening me on Khawarijis...I didn't know in the degenerative version of history they along with their true calling lost the use of the letter "wow"...
BTW, Khawarjis, not kharajites, I don't which pathetic secular history books you've read, whether those written by Mush or Altaf the pig, it's entirely upto you as far as you preference goes...were averse to muslims in general, no matter their sectarian preference, kind like how the secular degenerates masquerading as religious in their privacy are these days...
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So now our religion is run like a mob, you can enter but you can never leave. What a laugh.