Pakistan N-threat a bluff??

Pak’s N-threat exaggerated: Parthasarthy

RAHUL SINGH

TIMES NEWS NETWORK MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 2003 11:42:37 AM ]

CHANDIGARH: The Pakistani military establishment became a virtual punching bag for security experts on Sunday as they blasted the ‘rogue’ army for making militant Islam a vital instrument for foreign policy.

The experts, who were here for a conclave on Integrated Management of National Security held at Panjab University, said Pakistani military regimes were clear in their mind that the Indian threat had to be kept alive if they were to stay in power.

G Parthasarthy, a former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan, said after the 1971 war the Pakistani objective was not to take away Kashmir from India but to destroy its fibre of unity “as they viewed our existence as an ideological threat to theirs.”

Underlining that it was not possible to deal with Pakistan in a compartmentalised manner, he said, “The strategic challenge we face from Pakistan is that they want to weaken India. Pakistan is not the battle of Army alone but every Indian has a role to play.”

He said that Kargil was the product of Pakistani impression that Indians were tired after a decade of low-intensity conflict.

Parthasarthy further said that Pakistan would use nuclear weapons against India only as the last resort – either when the Pakistani army had collapsed or they had drained their resources.

He added that the nuclear threat from Pakistan was exaggerated and there was no harm in calling their bluff.

Although Parthasarthy said that India should attempt to isolate Pakistan at every international forum, he said people to people contact should be cultivated and channels of communication should not be closed.

Some experts, however, offered divergent views on the Pakistani role vis-à-vis national security and said more emphasis should be placed on “setting our own house in order.”

Lt Gen D B Shekatkar (retd), a security expert from Pune, said instead of blaming Pakistan for every ill afflicting the country, the need of the hour was to provide security to the common man and strengthen India at the grassroot level.

Delivering a talk on “Changing perspective of national security, challenges and responses,” Shekatkar said, “The country would be safe in real terms only when the common man feels secure. Nobody can dare to touch us if we are strong internally. The genesis of most of our problems lies in our internal differences.”

He added that the supreme tragedy of the country was that the common man’s faith had been eroded not only in the government setup but in every possible sense.

Air Vice Marshal Kapil Kak (retd), additional director, Centre for Strategic and International Studies, said India must evolve a vision document for national security on the lines of the US.

He said that this was crucial because conventional wars were passé and future conflicts would be limited in nature with limited objectives. Kak also called for greater interaction between the armed forces and the ministry of defence to evolve higher defence control organisations.

Gen V N Sharma, a former Army chief, underscored the need for better coordination between Army and intelligence agencies for optimum results in counter-insurgency operations.

In the concluding session, RSS national chief K S Sudershan said although the US had attempted to manipulate India into sending troops to Iraq, the government did the right thing by turning down the proposal.

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He added that the nuclear threat from Pakistan was exaggerated and there was no harm in calling their bluff.
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The smae kinda bluff kept USSR and USA engaged in cold war for decades and forced them to stay at bay.
It doesnt take a rocket physicist to figure out that Pakistan will not use the nuclear option as the weapon of choice. The war, if any, will still be conventional between the two and of low intensity nature. But I can guarantee you that nuclear threat from Pakistan is for real and thats what keeps Indian army nicely tucked in their dhotis away from Pakistani territory :)
Parthasarthy should have told the Lallu Prasads to boldy march into Pakistan last year when they amassed 150K of them along the international border :d

source:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=207352

Frankly, what a bore. I read through what's posted here and couldn't find anything that hasn't been said a hundred times before. Why do these guys waste time in such speeches - atleast go play golf

"Changing perspective of national security, challenges and responses," Shekatkar said, "The country would be safe in real terms only when the common man feels secure. Nobody can dare to touch us if we are strong internally. The genesis of most of our problems lies in our internal differences."

Mr. TS ...here is a new point!For this new point i think the entire article as a base is necessary.

^ and that's new to you? OK

Pakistans nuclear threat is a bluff and India should call it??
ahahha that would be the day. Imagine the stupidity required to call a nuclear bluff. You call a bluff when you are playing poker with your buddies for 5 bucks, not when you have to sacrifice cities of 30 million people. Also the lack of coherence and logic in these arguements is so astounding it is a strech to call these people "experts". First you tell us that Pakistanis are suicidal Islamic lunatics, then you tell me they would never use their nuclear weapons? Sounds to me these guys really trying to convince themselves rather than anyone else.

Indians are bluffing!

Well, it was a bluff or was considered as such during the late 80's and early 90's BUT that helped Pakistan. THe nuclear factor did work as a deterrent. However, since the detonations and transformations of something regarded as a mere bluff into a reality, things are no more the same. Its strange though.....

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**Pakistans nuclear threat is a bluff and India should call it??
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ahahha that would be the day. Imagine the stupidity required to call a nuclear bluff. You call a bluff when you are playing poker with your buddies for 5 bucks, not when you have to sacrifice cities of 30 million people. Also the lack of coherence and logic in these arguements is so astounding it is a strech to call these people "experts". First you tell us that Pakistanis are suicidal Islamic lunatics, then you tell me they would never use their nuclear weapons? Sounds to me these guys really trying to convince themselves rather than anyone else.
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would you get kashmir even if you threaten us with nukes?

^What in gods name are you talking about. Do you even bother to read the articles before you post something. The debate is abot the logic of assuming a nation is "bluffing" when the possibility of using nukes arises. It is about the studpidity of making this "bluffing" arguement.

Pakistan does'nt have to free Kashmir someday, god willing, the Indians themselves will realize the folly of there actions when trying to subjugate a muslim majority area to be a part of India.