LAHORE: Representatives of various minorities have urged the government to protect their rights, end “discriminatory” laws and consider as equals.
ASR Resource Centre, a non-government organisation, arranged a press conference at the Lahore Press Club on Monday where minority representatives said they were “victims” of the Constitution, laws and attitude of the government and the majority Muslims.
They condemned the obligation to mention religion on passport. Hindu representatives demanded a graveyard and the improvement of temples in Lahore.
They said that Hindus were “victims of state ideology”. They said that the state had always considered Hindus “non-Pakistanis and RAW agents”.
Quoting a report, Nighat Said Khan, the ASR executive director, said that minorities were still “victims of laws and social attitude”. She said that the discrimination started with the creation of Pakistan.
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minority killers don't get the capital punishment in the Mullahtic system .. that's not justice..
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Who said 'Mullahtic system' is Islamic system also...
Who said 'Mullahtic system' is Islamic system also...
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I assume you are trying to say that there are no Mullahs in Islam. Right!
I am not sure if you have ever lived (for more than 4 weeks) in a country where Islamic laws (full or partial) have been applied. Have you?
Islam like any other religion has standard "religious experts". You call them scholars, maulana, maulvi, hazrat, Shaikh etc. etc. They are grouped together in one term "Mullah".
Whenever you try to implement a religion-based system, you will be dependent on "Mullahs".
As they say "you can take Islam out of Mullah, but you can never take Mullah out of Islam". That makes Mullahs and Mullahtic idiotics resulting in horrible implementation of Islamic laws wherever they have been applied in recent times.
I hope you understood these fine points so try avoiding knee jerk one-liners in future.
No, I am not saying there is no ‘Mullah’ in Islam. How wonderful wud it be. What I am saying there is no ‘Islam’ left in today’s Mullahs. And I am basing my argument on Huzur’s :saw: prophecy about such mullahs.
The quoted hadees doesn't mention the time. It says "un-qareeb" (soon) the Mullahs will lose potency. How do you define "soon" in 1400 years' history?
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So you mean to say worse days are yet to come? boy o boy! kya banayga Pakistani musalmano ka..
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*Originally posted by PaKpatriot1: *
Iislam does have the Minorites paying "jizya" or whatever you call it.
Doesnt sound fair to me. Sounds like extortion.
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Islam also forbids the state from conscripting religious minorities. Minorities pay more tax but cannot be forced to fight and die for the state against their will. Fair trade.
^^ Oh yeah there are many non-muslims but they never get further than the rank of captain. There were few that made it to brigadier ranks, however when the ahmadi witch hunt began in 1973/4. All prominent positions that were held by ahmadis (military and non) were taken away from them and they were reduced to peons.
This witch hunt still goes on where army captains are encouraged to rat on their non muslim peers, so that the muslims are promoted and nons are either persecuted and thrown out of the military for lying on the military form (casue non muslims cant even pass the 10 th grade exam if they Allah forbid put that they are ahmadis) or their careers never advance from capt onwards.
It's funny however that even if you don't lie and somehow make it to PMA (pak mil acadamy Pakistani Sandhurst or U.S west point), your career does come under scrutiny when you rank is of a captain.
^ Not true, there are at least two christians at the rank of Major General in the army right now. I am not sure of Ahmedi's, but I do know that there is a Brigadier from Air defense who will probably get promoted to Maj. Gen. in the next promotion board (even if it is only for cosmetic purposes). From 1992--95 we also had a Zoroastrian Maj. Gen. Kaikobad (brother of Yazdiar Kaikobad, the minority MNA from Rawalpindi). The guy was DGMT if I recall correctly. These are just some of the people I can recall off hand.
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^ Not true, there are at least two christians at the rank of Major General in the army right now. I am not sure of Ahmedi's, but I do know that there is a Brigadier from Air defense who will probably get promoted to Maj. Gen. in the next promotion board (even if it is only for cosmetic purposes). From 1992--95 we also had a Zoroastrian Maj. Gen. Kaikobad (brother of Yazdiar Kaikobad, the minority MNA from Rawalpindi). The guy was DGMT if I recall correctly. These are just some of the people I can recall off hand.
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My apologies I didn't know that there was even more discrimination within minorities caused by "just" muslims.
Can you name a Ahmadi general?
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My apologies I didn't know that there was even more discrimination within minorities caused by "just" muslims.
Can you name a Ahmadi general?
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Sure, which decade do you want them from? I can tell you that the General Officer Commanding (GOC) of Gujranwala is an Ahmedi, simply because I read in the news about Mullah's protesting against the GOC saying he was Ahmedi. Give me some time and I'll come with a name as well as a reference.
^^ lets stick with after 1974-5. In other words from 1974/5 onwards till current.
BTW the point being that in the population of ~150+ million people and a million man army we have one zorastrian,one xtian, and one ahmadi general (that you say). It doesn't look good when we beat our chests touting equality in pakistan, 'casue it doesn't exist. So as the threads header suggests there is an issue with minorities and the way they are treated. So please don't justify (that there is no discrimination)by giving out a name of one guy in the sea of 150 million people.
When one looks at India Our neighbor and sees a muslim president (symbolic or not) and a sikh prime minister (by chance or not) it does speak volumes. I am not trying to stand for India but just trying to make a point that there is discrimination and it exists. Now I know many on this forum are gonna come down on me and start yapping discrimination exists in U.S and other places. Open another thread pertaining to those countries is what I have to say about that. This thread deals with pakistani minorities.
I will say that discrimination exists and is flourishing in Pakistan and minorities are right to ask for equal rights.
Sir jee, I am not trying to justify anything. I am simply responding to this statement that you made:
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Oh yeah there are many non-muslims but they never get further than the rank of captain. There were few that made it to brigadier ranks, however when the ahmadi witch hunt began in 1973/4.
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This statement simply is not factual. Up until 1973-74, there were at least two Ahmedi Lt. Generals not to mention the Chief of Air Staff Zafar Chaudary. Besides that, the statement that you made is also not true:
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BTW the point being that in the population of ~150+ million people and a million man army we have one zorastrian,one xtian, and one ahmadi general (that you say).
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There is more than one X-tian general, I assure you. Like I said these are the people I remember off hand. In no way am I trying to say that everything with the minorities is hunky dory.
^Yes there were and they were decorated in both 65 and 71 for Gallantry. I think everyone knows the name of Cecil Chaudary who went on to command the Combat Commanders School. Other notables decorated for gallantry were E.G. Hall (who would later rise to the rank of Air Marshall and become the Vice Chief), Nazir Latif, M.L. Middlecoat, Peter Christy and Peter Harney. Also, the PAF in its formative years had a number of Polish pilots in its ranks some of whom retired as Air Commodores.