Pakistan may get 3 Chinese frigates by June

Good to see our defences are being modernised, and our ties with Great China are as strong as ever.

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/Apr-2004/1/main/top13.asp

Pakistan may get 3 Chinese frigates by June

Pakistan’s Naval Chief Admiral Shahid Karimullah Wednesday hoped that Pakistan and China would sign a contract deal for three Chinese Frigates by June this year as Islamabad wanted to maintain a minimum deterrence vis-a-vis India. The Chinese Frigates (F-22 P) will enhance defence capabilities of Pakistan and the Naval Chief reiterated that Pakistan would focus more on transfer of technology through collaborative efforts with other countries. He said that Pakistan would also try to obtain helicopters from China and things in this regard would come under discussion during his next visit to China going to be held next month. “We are hopeful that Pakistan and China will sign a contract related to Chinese Frigates by June this year,” Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Shahid Karimullah said while talking to journalists soon after inauguration of Dr Aslam Uppal Hospital at Wah Cantt Wednesday. Earlier, during the inaugural ceremony, Chairman POF Maj. Gen. Mohammad Javed, different dignitaries of various embassies, high-level bureaucrats, MNA Ghulam Sarwar Khan and others were present on the occasion.

During his inaugural address, Shahid Karimullah said that no one could serve the nation without having good health. He paid rich tributes to the whole Uppal family especially Dr Imran Uppal for rendering valuable services in the field of health for the people of this locality. While talking to the journalists, the Naval Chief said that Pakistan wanted to make progress in defense advancement with indigenous efforts but without having a vast industrial base, it could not move ahead without making collaboration with other countries. Citing an example, he said that Pakistan obtained Agosta submarines with the help of France and efforts were under way to make further progress on this front.
He said that they would go to the Finance Ministry by end of April for finalizing modalities related to purchase of Chinese Frigate and then Defense Cabinet Committee (DCC) would be consulted on this issue. “I am going to visit China by May 2004 and we will try to finalize this deal as early as possible, he said and added that it was expected that both countries would sign a contract deal in this regard not latter than June 2004.

To a query about any security concern expressed by French officials, he said that the French authorities had inspected whole arrangements in this regard and they were fully satisfied over the prevailing situation. Without mentioning any specific country, he said that Pakistan wanted to look towards east for enhancing defence cooperation. The electronic equipment of western world is not suitable for this part of the world, he added. Answering another query about joint naval exercises, he said that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia had recently conducted joint exercises and some joint exercises were on the cards with other countries. We are planning to conduct joint exercises with UAE in near future, he added. He said that Pakistan would send its two ships to UK by next year in order to participate in their celebrations and later two ships would attend celebrations being held in USA in future. He said that President Musharraf was extending full cooperation for improving defence capabilities of Pakistan Navy. To another query about the balance of power with neighbouring India, he said that there were disparities in this regard and the ratio of balance of power between the two countries stood at 1:8. There is a huge disparity on aviation side and we are making efforts to maintain minimum deterrence with India, he concluded.

YAY!!! Thankyou China :jhanda:

:jhanda: May Allah make Pakistan even stronger

Ahem, did you read the article? Pakistani naval chief hopes China would give us the three frigates. Itni jaldi shukriya bhi adda kar diya?

:jhanda:

Thank you kafir China for looking after Pakistan.

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Ahem, did you read the article? Pakistani naval chief hopes China would give us the three frigates. Itni jaldi shukriya bhi adda kar diya?
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Yeh i suppose i did get a little carried away with the celebrations, But still YAY!!!

While Pakistan is getting its latest line of fighters from China, US is showering Isarel (and lately India if not directly) with its premium military hardware including the lastest F-16s. Will the China's relatively new experience at armament building stand up to Us' vast experience?

Hmmmmmmm

Shamsheer ul Haq

great!
it'll be just great if we get those darned F16s from US...

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great!
it'll be just great if we get those darned F16s from US...
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It will be great if we would stop begging and believe on self reliance.

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It will be great if we would stop begging and believe on self reliance.
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in the meantime while we work on becoming self reliant we need the support, dont you think?

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great!
it'll be just great if we get those darned F16s from US...
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Given how relations with India are looking up lately, I'd seriously question how much Pakistan needs immediate military hardware from the USA at this point in time. If Musharraf can clinch a deal with India, we won't need the F-16s any more - as it is, to be honest, out of necessity we are being forced to spend more than we can afford on the military.

Peace with India would mean we no longer need to buy expensive F-16s, no longer need to spend so much on military expenses. With peace prospects looking up, we can perhaps tune down the military spending and for now give up on the F-16s.

The 3 frigates are needed, though. Regardless of whether we are ar hostilities with India or at permanent peace, our navy is woefully short handed and 3 additional frigates would be most welcome.

^perhaps...

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *

Given how relations with India are looking up lately, I'd seriously question how much Pakistan needs immediate military hardware from the USA at this point in time. If Musharraf can clinch a deal with India, we won't need the F-16s any more - as it is, to be honest, out of necessity we are being forced to spend more than we can afford on the military.

Peace with India would mean we no longer need to buy expensive F-16s, no longer need to spend so much on military expenses. With peace prospects looking up, we can perhaps tune down the military spending and for now give up on the F-16s.

The 3 frigates are needed, though. Regardless of whether we are ar hostilities with India or at permanent peace, our navy is woefully short handed and 3 additional frigates would be most welcome.
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I seriously think that our military budget is a problem in that it is ot enough to satisfy our long term military needs and is incrasingly creating problems for our economy thats was peace with india is a very good long term solution, but Pakistan needs something to be abel to defend herself with. F-16's would be lovely afterall we did pay for them, and the norvegian's did offer us their second hand F-16's but they need US permission which was denied.

This presents two problems on the military scale, shortage of BVR capable fighter/bombers and a considerable force to succeed in the offencesivedefence that is part of Pakistan's strategiem.

Self Reliance is very important in the long run, but to get there we need technological coperation and exchange such as what is going on with China right now. Secondly we need to improve our future military applications one idea which can be looked into and will serve Pakistan perfectly is EMP Missiles. EMP=Electro Megnetic Pulse, disables anything reliant on electrical current within the blast area, which includes powerplants, automated machines, computers, electrical circuits, weapons systems, radar and amazingly can destory Electronic components witin fighter-jets rendering them useless.

That would be expensive research but once we are able to produce such missiles we could make them quite cheaply. They would bolster our military defence and offence strength and would not harm our national budget with long term maintainence costs such as with regular fighter-jets, navy ships and the like.

But the long term goal should be Self-Reliance through peaceful co-operation. "Give and Take".

By the way EMP tech is real and the US have developed several weapons systems based on the technology and accuring this would improve our SID: Space Defence Initiative and would reduce our chances of destruction from godforbid a nuclear war, as they disable the circuits that drive the Solid/Liquid motor or N.missiles.

Afterall self preservation should be a priority as well.

say :wave: to the F16’s from United States.

Yeah a :wave: from a far distance…

But you have to admit, these babys kick some serious A$$..

http://www.clw.org/pub/clw/cat/f-16.jpg

F-16 C block (Isreali Dessert Pattern)

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It will be great if we would stop begging and believe on self reliance.
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Takbir!

That is the best comment I've readon here.

You have a fan.

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Takbir!

That is the best comment I've readon here.

You have a fan.
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Do you or your idol even know how long that will take, and what about the technology transfer? We dont just think up a ship and build it you know!!!

We need plans and high grade alloy lathing machines ect.... We dont have that yet!!./.

So better to ask then not to have at all....