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Yeah, and this 30(+20) must always come from openers to make life easier for the rest. A 50 from openers can also make us capable of withstanding at least one collapse since we have a nice middle order and even nicer deep middle order. But again, openers must do something before leaving the ground.
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Shoaib Malik double role play kar raha thaa? 
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Lots of reasons to blame. I say FIRST go back to the basics, batting, bowling fielding.
We must not to throw our wickets away and use our batsmen in the best possible positions.
We must to bowl a good line and length (this means everyone apart from Asif).
We must catch the opportunities given to us, not let balls get away between our legs and be careful with overthrows.
Only after completing these basics, can we dwell on the more complex issues of strategy, captaincy, etc.
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So what if rana gave away 72 runs in 8 overs….we did not lose the match only because rana gave away so many runs….just look at the Indian bowling… Zaheer gave away 36 runs in 4 overs and sreenath gave away 74 runs in 10 overs….these 14 overs were disappeared for 110 runs ( 8 runs per over)…what I am trying to say that on these batting pitches, do not expect each and every bowler to bowl good….pathan and raina bowled really well for India and Gul and asif bowled really well for us…So as far bowling is concerned, both teams performed pretty much at the same level but the reason we lost the match is because we did not have enough wickets in hand in last 8 overs and Indians kept their wickets intact despite losing 2 wickets earlier….trust me, 30 more runs would have done the trick and Indians would have lost the match under pressure….India never had any pressure as far as run rate was concerned and therefore, their players never had to take any risk…[/quote]
You so what? Lets see, so what if he had bowled sensibly and given up only 54 runs as opposed to 74. So...Pakistan could have won the match. If Rana had gotten his head out of his behind and concentrated on task at hand, those extra 30 runs you are harping about will not be needed.
I agree with the rest of the post and I said so in my last post that batting lineup was a joke.
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as usual, osman samiuddin is right on money…
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/pakvind/content/current/story/236961.html
Pakistan v India, 3rd ODI, Lahore
The thin red line
Osman Samiuddin
February 13, 2006
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Shoaib Malik: Proving indispensable © Getty Images
Nowhere are lines between success and failure, between panning a team and praising them to the skies, between hailing a captain and booing him, between a good decision and a bad one, thinner than in ODIs. All through this match, in so many decisions and moments, this fact screamed out for Pakistan. In virtually all of them, Pakistan lost.
How thin is the line? The decision to bring on Abdul Razzaq as late as the 30th over initially seemed an inexplicably poor decision by Inzamam-ul-Haq; then, as he got rid of Sachin Tendulkar and bowled a couple of tight overs, a masterstroke, before finally reverting to being a baffling one.
So thin is it that Rana Naved-ul-Hasan’s experimentation, so often decisive in victory, proved crucial in defeat here. He’d had a bad day anyway when he replaced Razzaq in the 42nd over, started with a wide and went for 13 in that over and 16 in his following one. He mixed length balls with too many shorter ones, varied his pace but no yorkers were bowled. Inzamam’s decision to bring him on in the first place, especially when Mohammad Asif had overs left looks a poor one. But given that Rana’s bowling at the death has been generally spotless, and that Razzaq had given 12 runs in the over previous, it probably wasn’t as poor a one as it eventually became.
Should Inzamam have attacked more, by keeping a gully or an extra slip early on when the ball was seaming? Maybe, but his bowlers did have India at 12 for 2 and things looked peachy. Umar Gul and Asif beat the bat so many times in any case and by such narrow margins - the thin line again - another early wicket could have changed the game. Kamran Akmal’s leg-side dropping of Sachin Tendulkar when he was 36 illustrates vividly this thinness; had he caught it, who knows what could have happened.
Maybe also Pakistan didn’t need to fiddle with their top order and certainly in light of the collapse to 82 for four, it appears they shouldn’t have. But Shahid Afridi as opener is a concept as open to failure as it is to success. One of Inzamam, Mohammad Yousuf or Younis Khan could have come in earlier and Kamran Akmal, once demoted from opening, further down. Maybe, but in the end 288 appeared for the most of India’s chase a competitive total.
Instead, so thin is the line that it probably serves more purpose to look at what Pakistan can take from here. Like Rawalpindi, they have at least the remarkably versatile powers of Shoaib Malik to celebrate. Until and including Peshawar, Malik’s importance in Pakistan’s chases demanded attention. But two more innings since highlight his importance in any situation and particularly in a crisis. He walked in at 39 for two in the seventh over and despite losing partners at regular intervals until the 33rd over, when Younis was dismissed, he herded momentum. Only five boundaries came in his first fifty, yet he kept the run-rate at nearly five until the 40th over. Thereafter, he upped it further and although he went in the 46th over, his acceleration and Razzaq’s explosion ensured that Pakistan’s reputation for batting deep remains intact.
Unlike Rawalpindi, they will also take some solace in their opening bowlers, Asif and Umar Gul. This was only Asif’s fourth ODI yet he already seems so seasoned, it is unnerving. From the off, he settled into a groove, not giving room on length or line, taking two wickets and beating the bat many more times. In only his fourth game, he did precisely what has come to be expected of him. But possibly, Gul’s spell was more crucial to Pakistan, for two games into his comeback, he had looked lost internationally, going for 84 runs in 12 overs. His start here was also erratic, but he made sure that with the bad balls, plenty of unplayable ones were also delivered. Even more often than Asif, he beat both Tendulkar and Dravid and deserved more than the solitary wicket he ended with.
Finally, though, so thin is this line that after two consecutive losses, Pakistan find themselves 2-1 down and their recent ODI effervescence looking a little stale. They find within them, an absent strike bowler in Shoaib Akhtar and one, in Rana, who has been so out of sorts, he has conceded nearly eight runs an over through the series. They find that although their batting is long, its upper half isn’t looking so robust. Over the last 18 months, they have been renowned for their ability to not lie down and fight. Forget thin lines for that ability, more than anything, will now come under its sternest examination.
Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo
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Daagh Bhai,
Yakin maaniye I feel your pain, halaki meri biwi is not a Pakistani, (her mom is married in India) but her Nani and Mamus are still in Pakistan.
Unfortunately she still has that Ehsan Bahiish streak in her (and no I am not talking gender:D ).
And people tell me its going to take atleast another three generations before she is a thorough Bred Indian:cb: , dont kn ow if I am gonna be around till then.
Aejaz
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Galat solution,
Hum phir bhi D/L method se jeet jaate:cb:
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Many reasons why Pakistan lost but the biggest one has to be Dhoni. When a batsmen scores 72 in 46 balls, he is going to take the game away from you. Give him credit too.
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or When you allow a batsman to score 72 in 46 deliveries you are going to lose the game. Inzi with his mindbogling decisions allowed dhoni to take the game away. Had he brought Asif back earlier instead of that "teenda" things would have been much different.
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Pakistan bowlers did bowl exceedingly well in the first 15 overs they bowled. They beat the batsmen hazar times. And if there was some luck going for them this would have been a long lost game for the indians.
They also had chance after the dismissal of kaif. One more wicket and it would have been all over for the indians. They were clearly playing one batsmen short. But fortunately for us Dhoni played exceptionally well and got us through. :)
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You will have to wait a long long time, We are into our fourth generation since leaving Lahore and still strongly Pakistani.
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Asif had only two overs left in him.. could he have done any damage in those.
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^ True, but for Pakistan there was a collapse at middle order, without ball doing anything and for India, Sachin held himself for first 15 overs, left the outgoing deliveries and set it for likes of dhoni to go after the bowling later.
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:D well he will be no more a teenda....i have heard that he has already contacted mian nawaz sharif.... (aqalmand kay layiee asharra hee kafiee hota ha)
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hey by the way is that hair for real or is that a wig?
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PD, I am not sure what you are talking about.
Vineshvk, 2 overs of 5 runs each are much better than 16 and 17 respectively.
