Pakistan launches air strike on militant camp

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Abdullah_K:

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Why? Is truth too much to handle.
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Actually it seems that you could not handle truth. Truth is that Pakistan army is just doing the duty they are employed, and wonderful job of killing retards that are criminals and rebels, who are threat to the security of Pakistan and are breaking the laws of Pakistan too. They deserve to get killed just like any criminals and wild animals. There is no justification that according to their misguided belief, they can break the law of the country and expect that they should be given the privilege to do that. Most Pakistanis are fed up with them retards.

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Dishonorable are the ones in the Paki Army that died in the state of utter shame, fighting and trying to kill their own Muslim brothers.
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Again wrong. Pakistan army is doing their duty and deserve all honour and respect from their countrymen. It is those who disrespect Pakistan army doing their duty are dishonourable, shameful and traitors; or simply they are enemy of Pakistan. Those who are fighting Pakistan army are mercenaries or those giving refuge to the enemy of Pakistan (foreign mercenaries) and thus are dying death of pigs and reaching their destination quickly in hell.

** Actually, I am not against mercenaries as they are doing their duty (and working on their agenda), they have no respect of Pakistan or Pakistani laws. On the other hand, Pakistan army is doing their duty of killing them. But disgusting pigs in the middle are those that are Pakistanis, still are disloyal to Pakistan and doing harm to Pakistan. They have joined hand with enemies of Pakistan (those foreign mercenaries and miscreants), and thus deserve getting killed like pig.**

These people are not Muslim brothers as Muslim brothers are law abiding citizens, those that respect other Muslims and no innocent people could become victim in their hand, but these retarded crooks are traitors and criminals. By no mean they are Muslims brothers.

Neither their supporters are Muslim brothers, as it is sign of Kafirs that they do takfeer and start abusing and accusing others in discussions, and many of their supporters, most I have come across, have habit to do that (abuse others and do takfeer, thus they possess clear signs of being a Kafir jahannumis).

** When I see a takfeeri and those who judge others from their own thinking or thinking of their retarded gurus (rather than on what others say about themselves), claiming that others are lying about their beliefs, I straight away know that these people(takfeeris) are Kafirs in sight of Allah (and that ALlah will treat them as Kafir on judgment day), whatever they say or claim about themselves (and it can be proven from Quran and hadith too).**

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Too bad that heedless folks like you still don't get it.
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Who is heedless and who is not, let wait after death to find out. InshaAllah, for these retards, that day is not too far anyhow, as their life is short, like mad dogs. Either they get killed by silver bullets of Pakistan army or they put a dynamite rod inside their rear to blow themselves up, killing innocent Muslims. Either way, they reach jahannum quickly.

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I really hope that the soldiers from the Paki army are hunted like the rabid dogs and killed with no mercy just like the way they are innihilating the innocent tribesmen of the Frontier.
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Well, what a wishful thinking. I am sure that Abu-Jahal must be hoping and thinking same for Muslim soldiers of Medina as what you are hoping and thinking for Muslim soldiers of Pakistan. A good parallel in hopes and thoughts.

Nevertheless, ground reality is that, these retarded miscreants are getting hunted and getting killed without mercy every day, like rabid dogs and pigs, both in Pakistan and Afghanistan. There future is annihiliation for sure unless they change their ways, recite Kalma Shahadah and become Muslim, then start living peacefully and stop mischief they have spread throughout the region.

As for Frontier tribesmen, there is no link between them and these retards that are getting killed like dogs and pigs, by Pakistan army. Most frontier tribesmen are neither retards nor disloyal to Pakistan. If given opportunity, most tribesmen would like to live peacefully in Pakistan, but these retards have made their life difficult too.

The most surprising thing is that, these retards sometime try to create their link with Pakistani frontier tribesmen, sometime with Islam, sometime with Muslim ummah, sometime with Pakistan, sometime with God knows what, but never try to tell others where their true links and loyalty lies, even though many Muslims know that their true link and loyalty is with Iblis (shaitan whose whole purpose is to create mischief). Unfortunately, many people get misguided because of their ways and devious propaganda.

If one read them, hear their talks, or observe their deeds, one would find nothing from them but abuses and accuses for others and a habit of calling others Kafir (it seems they never miss to see their own face when talking of others).

As for your warning:

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It's coming - just wait.
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Fact is that, Allah has waited and kept loosening rope on them retards for few years while these retards were creating mischief and making their victims suffer, in the name of their misguided Islam. Time came when Allah decided that enough is enough and then Qahar of Allah came on them in the form of TORA BORA, and it seems to be an unending Qahar, as even now they are getting hunted across both side of borders between Pakistan and Afghanistan. No place is safe for them. They are running to save their lives or barking like mad dogs; while soldiers across both borders (Pakistan and Afghanistan) are smoking them out of dens and hunting them like people hunt mad dogs and pigs.

Meanwhile Pakistan is getting blessing of Allah, in the form of moderations, economic growths, developments, opportunities, and progress.

Well, what happened is from Allah and what will happen is going to be from Allah too. As for what is coming, I can only see more bliss for Pakistan and more misery for retards, InshaAllah. As for Musharraf government, I can see it getting stronger day by day too. I can also see that most likely, Musharraf would still going to be in power, there in Pakistan 2020 and probably beyond (take note of my words and keep it safe), InshaAllah.

Note: If people fight for injustice and their political or civil rights, it would have been a different matter, still they should not use arms against government forces, and if they do, they deserve to get shot at too. It is not right for anyone in the country to take arms against the state and expect not to get killed.

But these retards are not fighting for injustice, political or civil rights, but they are fighting with arms, for rights to give refuge to miscreants of other country (Afghanistan) and to be miscreant in another country (move from Pakistan to do activities in Afghanistan), against the policy of the state (Pakistan). Thus they are fighting against the state (Pakistan) and against policy of the state that state thinks is for the benefit of the country. No one in any country can have that right to challenge the state with arms and still be considered as loyal to the country, hence these retarded pigs are traitors and deserved to get killed.

Only exception is when someone is fighting for independence (as in Kashmir or Chechnya) but then, for the state that controls their land and considers them citizen, these fighters are still considered as traitors, though for the people of their area they might be considered as freedom fighters. This case does not apply to these retards of tribal area anyhow, hence they are nothing but traitors, criminals, and rebels, for all in every way, and deserve to get killed like mad dogs and pigs.

** Taliban** took over power in Afghanistan illegally from people of NA and Hikmatyar, with the backing of USA and Pakistan, and later Taliban were killing the Muslims of NA (that were legitimate rulers of Afghanistan and were fighting to recover their lost power from Taliban), and these same retards were backing them Taliban illegal government (not recognised by any world countries except 3) and their killing of NA Muslims as legitimate.

Rather these retards were doing takfeer too and gone morally so low as to start calling them names. Now, when the table is turned, these retards have started calling Pakistan government action as illegal, what a retards these people are].

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:jhanda:

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yaar, you don’t need to write a journal. though, i appreciate it. can you kindly narrate in two sentences. gracias :jhanda:

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You are only speaking out of vendetta against Muslims - all Muslims. If Paki army to turn its back against the US by refusing to fight against fellow Muslims, and subsequently gets attacked. The same Paki soldiers will become branded oppressors, and Musharraf would be the worst of all dictators.

You will be routing for the US till your heart content or until Pakistan is flattened. Keep your bigoted two cents for your self.

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Looks like this was also an American strike.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070119/481/dik10701191835

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Probably just another unexploded Amercian missile that the tribals found just over the border, and decided to show some pictures of. But these people never seem to find any pictures to verify their claims of civilians or kids having been killed?

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^^ Every single air-strike, they claim innocent children were killed and yet there haven't been any pictures of greiving parents

this is just another in a long line of lies that have come from these pashtun idiots who have been so throughlly brainwashed by arabs and afghans into supporting them that they have turned their backs on pakistan

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mercenray, you obviously do not know the very complex poltics of fata. Before jumping to conclusion and calling people of fata 'brainwashed idiots', you have to know its history. the pashtuns of fata have for most parts have had good relations with pakistan, these residents indentify themselves as pakistan and have pakisatni NIC. you have to understand why pashtuns are trying to take over afghanistan(a land which is rightfully there's), now you see, alot of media sources blindly label these pashtuns as 'taliban', even though most of them do not support al-qaeda(the afghan talibans who supported al-qaeda where the people who wanted money from them).
Now think about it this way, if hindu's where to take over pakistan, would you not be angry? These pashtuns have been denied alot of particapiton in this native farsi speaker government. Remeber that the northern alliance is mostly made up of native dari speakers, they are enforcing farsiwaan culture over afghanistan. for example, almost all media, all products have dari written on them, not pashto, even thogh the pashtuns make up 42% of afghanistan. and you know, once the nato forces are out of afghanistan, pashtuns will regain control of afghanistan probably

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It’s highly likely that the strike was carried out by the US, and like always, the Paki army stooges were ordered to strike at already demolished building, charred bodies of Muslims, to cover up.

This kind of attrocity should be condemned. Now, who would feel sorry if couple of dozen of these murderous thugs meet the same fate - they definitely don’t deserve any better.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/01/20/nat3.htm

HAMZOLA (South Waziristan Agency), Jan 19: The attack on small compounds on Monday here was launched by US predators and not by the Pakistan army’s helicopter gunships, according to some residents of the area.

“Helicopter gunships struck these compounds about 15 minutes after unmanned air vehicles fired five missiles,” tribesmen of Hamzola told a group of journalists from Peshawar and the tribal area, who were helped by the local Taliban to visit the area close to the Afghan border.

The residents also showed two unexploded missiles each weighing 500 pounds found at the site. They raised anti-Musharraf and anti-Bush slogans.

They said that at least five missiles had been fired from the unmanned air vehicles that had come from across the border. Later, the army helicopters appeared on the sky and fired a barrage of rockets on the cluster of mud-houses.

Army spokesman Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan said the army combat helicopters conducted the air strike on Hamzola, 65km north of Wana, the South Waziristan Agency headquarters, on Jan 16. He claimed that 25 to 30 militants, including foreigners, were killed in these hideouts.

But the residents of Hamzola denied the claim and contended that no foreigner was among the dead.

“They killed civilians, four belonging to Mahsud and five from Sulemanzai tribes,” said a resident, adding that residential compounds had been targeted. He said that three out of five compounds were destroyed in the attack, which also left about eight people wounded.

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Why, you seem very upbeat about this. What are you doing on gupshup? Why don't you go up there in the mountains and help your militant brothers? Who gave them the right to setup training camps and have weapons there with an intent to hurt Pakistani government, military and people of Pakistan? Who gave them the right to use Pakistani soil to launch attacks against targets in Afghanistan?

I've said it before and will say it again: As muslims we need to get rid of "every man's little militia." What are these militants or group of people doing in the mountains? What is their reason to be there? Why? In old days, bandits and thugs use to hide in mountains and attack passing travelers and today we have these brainwashed "muslim" idiots roaming the nomadic lands thinking they are on some jihad!!! When you DISTURB peace and hurt innocent people, you should be bombed from 7th sky all way down to earth's core.

There is no reason for these thugs to be in the camps or hide in the mountains... its pathetic and a lost cause. When will we wake up and stop supporting this animalistic and unrealistic behaviour?

Before you call Pakistani army "cowardly," think what thugs and criminals you are supporting. The Pakistani army takes action against these groups with an authority from pakistani government, Pakistani people... what do these militants have?

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Inshallah more of Waziristans militants will do the world a favor by getting blown up...

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Pakistan needs to re-take FATA.

Its about time that we adminster every inch of Pakistani territory.

This will happen when there is economic development in that area which will end the stranglehold of Tribal Chiefs on basic economic rights of people.

Its all about control.

If we energize the economy of FATA then people will be much more interested in providing for their children rather than going on pointless jihads.

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OH, is that so. It’s OK to sponsor Jihadi terrorist activities and proxy militias in Kashmir as long as it serves one’s own political agenda; what a load of hypocrisy you just mentioned. Dare to send your own soldiers into Occupied Kashmir and take it by force?

For the past fifty years, Pakistan has played its dirty game at the expense of thousands of innocent Kashmiris. The Kargil debacle; the establishment of terrorist training camps over all of Kashmir; facilitating infiltration and guerilla activities in Occupied Kashmir - if that’s not unconditional support for proxy militancy “in the mountains” then what is it ?

It’s only after getting kicked in ass by the Indians - deservedly - day in and day out, Pakistan has finally realized that its gutless forces are no match for the might of the Indian conventional superiority. Hence, the face saving offers of discussion and attempts to get even the slightest of leverages, but to no avail thus far. Pakistan has more or less dropped its position all together, on the issue of Kashmir.

Don’t even talk about Jihad, or fighting the holy cause in Kashmir since it’s all cocksure BS politics and nothing else - after all, what else can you expect from a force of bunch of pussies reduced only to mopping up after their grand daddy has finished the job of decimating their own fellow citizens on their territory. This is the reality and suck it up!

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^^ So my suspicions were true

U are an indian pretending to be a pakistani poster

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OH, is that so. It's OK to sponsor Jihadi terrorist activities and proxy militias in Kashmir as long as it serves one's own political agenda; what a load of hypocrisy you just mentioned. Dare to send your own soldiers into Occupied Kashmir and take it by force?
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The rat comes out of the hole...

What jihadi terrorist activities in Kashmir? What are you talking about? What Pakistani support? Your Indian government can't even come up with proof, and here you are passing allegations of "terrorist support" and being a nice indian government stooge!

Isn't it funny that hinduvta terrorists and their partners in crime have always blamed problems in India on Pakistan and ISI?

And India kicked Pakistani ass? How?

India is 4 times larger than Pakistan in ALL aspects.

India fought 4 wars with Pakistan... WHAT did it accomplish? Which LAND did it gain? None.

Is Pakistan still a country even after facing a foe 4 times larger than its size? Yes.

Is Pakistan stronger and better than ever before even after India fought 4 wars with it?
Yes

Did Pakistan mass over 1 million terrorists on Indian border and never attacked? No, it was India which did that and indian soldiers were rotting while hinduvta government considered its option OTHER than attacking Pakistan.

Pakistan gain free kashmir of today back in 1948 (THATS 19FOURTY EIGHT) during the FIRST war that India fought... does Pakistan still hold that part of Kashmir today? YES! So, I don't see how you came up with this asinine conclusion that india kicked Pakistani ass. Maybe it was your anger and hate which made you puke such baseless and wrong information.

As far as Kashmir is concerned, it is a totally home grown and PEOPLE supported freedom struggle against Indian occupation and persistent hinduvta terrorism against MUSLIMS of Kashmir. No struggle survives this long without the support of the local people.
India continues to bleed from Kashmir, Assam and other places... Pakistan doesn't need to do anything. The nazi brahmin regimes are enough to make things harder for indian society and make them want to fight for their freedoms from oppressive hinduvta rule... no wonder India has over 150+ groups fighting for sometype of freedom struggle. Go figure.

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These tribals have the "skills" to prove that American missiles allegedly bombed their terrorist camps in FATA, but can never show any proof of the dead cvilians that they claim are killed. That is proof enough for me that all they ever do is tell lies.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/world/asia/21quetta.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

At Border, Signs of Pakistani Role in Taliban Surge
By CARLOTTA GALL

QUETTA, Pakistan — The most explosive question about the Taliban resurgence here along the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is this: Have Pakistani intelligence agencies been promoting the Islamic insurgency?

The government of Pakistan vehemently rejects the allegation and insists that it is fully committed to help American and NATO forces prevail against the Taliban militants who were driven from power in Afghanistan in 2001.

**Western diplomats in both countries and Pakistani opposition figures say that Pakistani intelligence agencies — in particular the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence and Military Intelligence — have been supporting a Taliban restoration, motivated not only by Islamic fervor but also by a longstanding view that the jihadist movement allows them to assert greater influence on Pakistan’s vulnerable western flank.

More than two weeks of reporting along this frontier, including dozens of interviews with residents on each side of the porous border, leaves little doubt that Quetta is an important base for the Taliban, and found many signs that Pakistani authorities are encouraging the insurgents, if not sponsoring them.**

The evidence is provided in fearful whispers, and it is anecdotal.

At Jamiya Islamiya, a religious school here in Quetta, Taliban sympathies are on flagrant display, and residents say students have gone with their teachers’ blessings to die in suicide bombings in Afghanistan.

Three families whose sons had died as suicide bombers in Afghanistan said they were afraid to talk about the deaths because of pressure from Pakistani intelligence agents. Local people say dozens of families have lost sons in Afghanistan as suicide bombers and fighters.

One former Taliban commander said in an interview that he had been jailed by Pakistani intelligence officials because he would not go to Afghanistan to fight. He said that, for Western and local consumption, his arrest had been billed as part of Pakistan’s crackdown on the Taliban in Pakistan. Former Taliban members who have refused to fight in Afghanistan have been arrested — or even mysteriously killed — after resisting pressure to re-enlist in the Taliban, Pakistani and Afghan tribal elders said.

“The Pakistanis are actively supporting the Taliban,” declared a Western diplomat in an interview in Kabul. He said he had seen an intelligence report of a recent meeting on the Afghan border between a senior Taliban commander and a retired colonel of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence.

Pakistanis and Afghans interviewed on the frontier, frightened by the long reach of Pakistan’s intelligence agencies, spoke only with assurances that they would not be named. Even then, they spoke cautiously.

The Pakistani military and intelligence services have for decades used religious parties as a convenient instrument to keep domestic political opponents at bay and for foreign policy adventures, said Husain Haqqani, a former adviser to several of Pakistan’s prime ministers and the author of a book on the relationship between the Islamists and the Pakistani security forces.

The religious parties recruited for the jihad in Kashmir and Afghanistan from the 1980s, when the Pakistani intelligence agencies ran the resistance by the mujahedeen and channeled money to them from the United States and Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, Mr. Haqqani said.

In return for help in Kashmir and Afghanistan the intelligence services would rig votes for the religious parties and allow them freedom to operate, he said.

“The religious parties provide them with recruits, personnel, cover and deniability,” Mr. Haqqani said in a telephone interview from Washington, where he is now a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

The Inter-Services Intelligence once had an entire wing dedicated to training jihadis, he said. Today the religious parties probably have enough of their own people to do the training, but, he added, the I.S.I. so thoroughly monitors phone calls and people’s movements that it would be almost impossible for any religious party to operate a training camp without its knowledge.

“They trained the people who are at the heart of it all, and they have done nothing to roll back their protégés,” Mr. Haqqani said.

After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, President Pervez Musharraf, under strong American pressure, pledged to help root out Islamic extremism, and, as both head of the army and president, he has more direct control of the intelligence services than past civilian prime ministers. But according to several analysts, Pakistani intelligence officials believe it is more prudent to prepare for the day when Western troops leave Afghanistan.

Pakistan has long seen jihadi movements like the Taliban as a counter to Indian and Russian influence next door in Afghanistan, the Western diplomat and other analysts said, and as a way to provide Pakistan with “strategic depth,” or a friendly buffer on its western border.

In Pashtunabad, a warren of high mud-brick walls and narrow lanes in Quetta, the links of the government, religious parties and Taliban commanders to a local madrasa are thinly hidden, said a local opposition party member who lives in the neighborhood.

Three students from the madrasa went to Afghanistan recently on suicide missions, he said. The family of one of the men admitted that he had blown himself up but denied that he had attended the school. The man’s brother suggested that he had been forced into the mission and that someone had recruited him for payment.

“Nowadays people are getting money from somewhere and they are killing other people’s children,” he said. “We are afraid of this government,” he said. His father said he feared the same people would try to take his other son and asked that no family names be used.

President Musharraf relies on the religious party Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam, or J.U.I., which dominates this province, Baluchistan, as an important partner in the provincial and national parliaments.

At a madrasa, called simply Jamiya Islamiya, on winding Hajji Ghabi Road, a board in the courtyard proudly declares “Long Live Mullah Omar,” in praise of the Taliban leader, and “Long Live Fazlur Rehman,” the leader of J.U.I.

Members of the provincial government and Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam are frequent visitors to the school, the local opposition party member said, asking that his name not be used because he feared Pakistan’s intelligence services. People on motorbikes with green government license plates visit at night, he said, as do luxurious sport utility vehicles with blackened windows, a favorite of Taliban commanders.

Maulvi Noor Muhammad, a Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam representative from Baluchistan in the National Assembly, recently received a guest barefoot while sitting on the floor of a grubby district office in Quetta, a map of the world above him painted on the wall to represent his belief in worldwide Islamic revolution.

He denied providing the militants any logistical support. “The J.U.I. is not supporting the Taliban anymore,” he said. “We are only providing moral support. We pray for their success in ousting the foreign troops from the land of Afghanistan.”

On a recent morning, the deputy director of the Jamiya Islamiya madrasa, Qari Muhammad Ibrahim, declined to meet a female reporter for The New York Times but answered a question from a local male reporter.

He did not deny that some of the madrasa’s 280 students had gone to fight in Afghanistan. “In the Koran it is written that it is every Muslim’s right to fight jihad,” he said. “All we are telling them is what is in the Koran, and then it’s up to them to go to jihad.”

NATO officials and Western diplomats in Afghanistan have grown increasingly critical of Pakistan for allowing the Taliban leaders, commanders and soldiers to operate from their country, which has given an advantage to the insurgency in southern Afghanistan. In September, Gen. James L. Jones, then NATO’s supreme commander, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that Quetta remained the headquarters of the Taliban movement.

Still, Pakistan has insisted that the Taliban leadership is not based in Quetta. “If there are Taliban in Quetta, they are few,” said Pakistan’s minister for information and broadcasting, Tariq Azim Khan. “You can count them on your fingers.”

American officials and Western diplomats noted that, when put under enough pressure, Pakistan had come through with flashes of cooperation. But that only seems to reinforce the view that Pakistan’s intelligence agencies are more in touch with what is going on in the Taliban insurgency than the government lets on publicly.

For instance, a senior Taliban leader, Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Osmani, who operated on both sides of the border, was killed in an airstrike in Afghanistan on Dec. 19, after Pakistan helped track him, an American official in Afghanistan said.

At the same time, a kind of dirty war is building between Afghan and Pakistani intelligence agencies. A senior Afghan intelligence official said one of its informers in Pakistan was recently killed and dumped in pieces in Peshawar, a border town. The Afghan intelligence service has also recently arrested two Afghan generals, one retired, who have been charged with spying for Pakistan, as well as a Pakistani suspected of being an intelligence agent.

**President Musharraf has acknowledged that some retired Pakistani intelligence officials may still be involved in supporting their former protégés in the Taliban.

Hamid Gul, the former director general of Pakistani intelligence, remains a public and unapologetic supporter of the Taliban, visiting madrasas and speaking in support of jihad at graduation ceremonies.**

Afghan intelligence officials recently produced a captured insurgent who said Mr. Gul facilitated his training and logistics through an office in the Pakistani town of Nowshera, in the North-West Frontier Province, west of the capital, Islamabad.

NATO and American officials in Afghanistan say there is also evidence of support from current midlevel Pakistani intelligence officials. Just how far up that support reaches remains in dispute.

At least five villages in Pishin, a district northwest of Quetta that stretches toward the Afghan border, lost sons in the recent fighting in Kandahar between the Taliban and NATO forces, opposition politicians said.

One village, Karbala, is a main center of support for the jihad, local people say. Unlike the other villages, which blend into the stark desertlike landscape with their mud-brick houses and compound walls, Karbala has lavish houses, mosques and madrasas, suggesting an unusual wealth.

Farther on, in the village of Bagarzai, lies the grave of Azizullah, a religious scholar who used only one name and acquired fame as a Taliban commander.

Only 25, he was killed with a group of 15 to 20 men in an airstrike in the Afghan province of Helmand on May 22, said his father, Hajji Abdul Hai. Thousands of people attended his funeral, including senior members of the provincial government, the father said.

Mr. Hai, 50, who is a Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam member, denied that his son had been persuaded to fight by anyone. “From the start it was his spirit to take part in jihad,” his father said. “It’s all to do with personal will. If someone agrees, then he goes. Even if someone wishes to, no one can stop him.”

It is an argument that supporters of the jihad use frequently. But for some of the families mourning their sons, there is no doubt that the madrasas and the religious parties are the first point of contact.

That was the conclusion reached by the family of Muhammad Daoud, a 22-year-old man from Pishin who disappeared more than a year ago.

“In our search we went to many places and everyone said different things,” said his father, Hajji Noora Gul. “We went to the madrasa in Pashtunabad, but no one was ready to tell us his whereabouts.”

“Even the madrasa people did not know,” he added. “Behind the curtain of the madrasa, maybe there are other people who do this. Maybe there are some businessmen who take them.”

Then, he said, a Taliban propaganda CD came out showing his son with a group of others taking an oath before the Taliban commander, Mullah Dadullah.

“He had a shawl over his head and was preparing for a suicide bombing,” Mr. Gul said. “He said, ‘I am fighting for God, and I am ready for this.’ ”

His eldest son, Allah Dad, 33, blamed the jihadi groups and the Inter-Services Intelligence. “We don’t know how he made contact with those jihadi groups,” he said. “There are some groups active in taking people to Afghanistan and they are active in Quetta.

“All Taliban are I.S.I. Taliban,” he added. “It is not possible to go to Afghanistan without the help of the I.S.I. Everyone says this.”

David Rohde contributed reporting from Kabul, Afghanistan.

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So why does the ISI need to get contacts information on Taliban from journalists? Doesn’t it seem strange to anyone else that journalists can find Taliban in every corner of Pakistan, but ISI cannot? The ISI knows where all the Taliban are hiding, but just doesn’t want them to speak to the media.

How is this double game going to help Pakistan? On the one hand we let Americans bomb the tribal areas when they feel like it, but on the other hand we protect the Taliban in Quetta and other places. It’s like the ISI and other agencies are working against each other and one hand does not know what the other is doing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/world/asia/21qside.html

Rough Treatment for 2 Journalists in Pakistan

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By CARLOTTA GALL
Published: January 21, 2007

My photographer, Akhtar Soomro, and I were followed over several days of reporting in Quetta by plainclothes intelligence officials who were posted at our respective hotels. That is not unusual in Pakistan, where accredited journalists are free to travel and report, but their movements, phone calls and interviews are often monitored.

On our fifth and last day in Quetta, Dec. 19, four plainclothesmen detained Mr. Soomro at his hotel downtown and seized his computer and photo equipment.

They raided my hotel room that evening, using a key card to open the door and then breaking through the chain that I had locked from the inside. They seized a computer, notebooks and a cellphone.

One agent punched me twice in the face and head and knocked me to the floor. I was left with bruises on my arms, temple and cheekbone, swelling on my eye and a sprained knee.

One of the men told me that I was not permitted to visit Pashtunabad, a neighborhood in Quetta, and that it was forbidden to interview members of the Taliban.

The men did not reveal their identity but said we could apply to the Special Branch of the Interior Ministry for our belongings the next day.

After the intervention of the minister of state for information and broadcasting, Tariq Azim Khan, my belongings were returned several hours later. Mr. Soomro was released after more than five hours in detention.

Since then it has become clear that intelligence agents copied data from our computers, notebooks and cellphones and have tracked down contacts and acquaintances in Quetta.

All the people I interviewed were subsequently visited by intelligence agents, and local journalists who helped me were later questioned by Pakistan’s intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence.

Mr. Soomro has been warned not to work for The New York Times or any other foreign news organization.

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Perhaps some posters here are 'thick'. And that's putting it very mildly.