Pakistan Islamic or Secular?

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Re: Pakistan Islamic or Secular?

@Med911

Secularism is the best thing not only for pak, but also islam. Anyone who believes otherwise is ignorant. You neither understand what secularism is, nor do u understand its place in pak. Education may change peoples mind, but jahaluth is the state religion rt now, so don’t expect much from the average pakistani.

What has secularism achieved in France and Turkey where Muslims are actively discriminated against?

A few of my friends say that they don’t advocate ‘Indian-style’ or ‘French style’ or ‘Turkish style’ secularism because these states are not ‘religion-neutral’ which is the essence of secularism, rather they are either anti-religion or biased towards a particular religion, both of which are against secularism. They say that Pakistan should develop its own unique system of secularism where the state is completely neutral with regards to religion.

I say, it’ll never happen, and why not promote a true Islamic system, which accepts difference of opinion amongst the different schools of thought? They say this will never happen either.

At the end of it all, we’re all arguing about implementing things that, according to each other, will never work in Pakistan. So if you’re going to try anything, why not try the one that is sanctioned by God rather than one which is a man-made system?

@khoji

Pakistan should be a secular state. Pakistan’s population has too many religious divisions to implement any form of shariah here.

My personal view is that shariahs as defined by most of our clerics are too narrow and impractical today. Many of them even consider TV and pictures to be haram.

Pakistan can not give its future in the hands of Talibanic reactionaries.

To me one of the most unfortunate time of Pakistan’s history was when Objective Resolution passed the parliament. That’s when Quaide Azam lost and Maududi won.

Maudidi was one of the most brilliant minds of the Muslim world in the 20th century; may Allah grant him the highest level of Paradise, amin, Allahuma amin!

Your ignorance about him does not bode well for your competence in discussing this matter. I would request you to withdraw yourself from this thread in order to avoid looking like a fool.

If some scholars think they that TV/pictures are haraam, you need to bring out the evidence showing this is not the case. Islam is a religion based on evidence, and ikhtilaaf is an accepted tradition. You cannot dismiss a viewpoint by demonising those who hold it; if you want your side of the argument to be accepted, bring forth your evidences.

Lastly, if you think Qaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah (r.a.) was a secularist, you need to think again:

1) “This is the flag of Islam, for you cannot separate the Muslim league from Islam. Many people misunderstand us when we talk of Islam, particularly our Hindu friends. When we say this flag is the flag of Islam, they think that we are introducing religion into politics, A FACT OF WHICH WE ARE PROUD. Islam gives us a complete code. It is not only a religion, but it contains laws, philosophy and politics. It contains everything that matters to a man from morning to night. When we talk of Islam, we take it as an all embracing word.”

- Quaid-e-Azam; 11th January 1938 at the raising of the Muslim League flag at Gaya in Bihar.

**2) "Let us go back to our holy book, the Quran. Let us revert to the hadith and the the great traditions of Islam which have everything in them for our guidance if we correctly interpret them and follow our great Holy book, the Quran."
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• Quaid-e-Azam; 6th March 1946*