Pakistan is NOT a failed state

I am fed up with the failed state nonsense. Yes, the political upheavals and the coups suck. Yes Pakistanis seem mired alternatley into India hate and America hate. Yes the country doesn’t know how to breakaway from the shackles of the Islamic identity.

People are sensing it - that getting absolutely immersed into ‘orthodox’ Islam is recipe for disaster in the current times. It is a very difficult thing to admit and I see people trying in there own different ways everyday. Gupshup is an example.

Yes, the country will be in doldrums without Musharaf and he will be a goner without America and guess what - India will have had some serious problems without America at critical junctures.

Bottom line - CIA and Abc and XYZ should shut the fok up and get out of astrology. They hve no clue how to centralize buying pencils and pens using a multi million dollar system and want to weigh in matters of the world.

I love India and that is why I want Pakistan to floursih. Just shut the fok up

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What is a failed state anyways? Lets have a discussion on it.

In my view, we could not decide on the basic govt model in more than 50 years history. There is a defcato presidential system in the country, but the constitution says otherwise. Moreove it is a shame on presidential system, because the president is unelected, and holds the army office too. Nowhere in the world, we have such a hybrid system.

Compared with India with much much similiar ethnicities and culture, Pakistan does seem like a failed state. It is a failure of society and political system.

We have uniformed gang rapists roaming around, being protected by army and presdient, despite all the propaganda of "enlightened moderation". Where does this happen in a "so-called" constituanal democracy? We have better examples in American soldiers getting punished for their crimes in Iraq. And yes, even in Israel, it doesn't happen.

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Pakistan.

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Pakistan is actually a fake state....

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If the definition is that Pakistan has failed its population, then Pakistan is a failed state.

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yes and INdia is like europe.

Pakistan’s economy grew by 6.6% last year and will grow by 7.5% this year. That is not an indication of a failed country. failed country is a bankrupt country and pakistan is not that.

Pakistan will prosper and will become more strong. And no country even India (which is 7 times our size) dares can do anything bad to our country.

Pakistan Zindabad
The Sons of Pakistan shall protect its mother land

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sadiqaan,

If you don’t like Pakistan then take your Bugti tribe and move to INdia. In Pakistan we have no place for namak-harams

All the enemies of our motherland will be thrown in the indian ocean

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Why do you have this obsession with India? Growth rate is not the only factor in the economy of a developing nation. How much of that growth has improved the lives of he poor? Instead the opposite has happened with inflation.

And I am not from the Bugti tribe, whose home is Balochistan. It is the army that needs to go back to its home in Punjab.

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The army is the army of all of Pakistan. and its home is all of our pakistan. the army is going to clean our country of any tribal bugti thugs.

I am comparing our country to India, cause India is just like our country and Pakistan was more weaker then india after partition. poverty is going to lower then bugti thugs will be thrown in indian ocean and law and order is ok. Then investment will come and more jobs for the people will come.

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Where ever do you gets your stats from Pak brave heart? It is simply amusing… :hehe:

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here kali mata,

from International herald Tribune

The World Bank president, James Wolfensohn, is heaping lavish praise on Pakistan’s economic advances. “The progress has been terrific,” Wolfensohn said in the capital, Islamabad, this week. “Seven percent growth by a country which was hovering around 3 percent a few years back is quite an achievement.”
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And then, having commended his hosts, Wolfensohn - whose bank has lent more than $15 billion to Pakistan - warned against complacency. Pakistan must keep its foot on the growth accelerator to make a real dent in poverty, he said.
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That challenge is recognized within Pakistan, too.
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In a table appended to the text of a speech he made this month, the central bank governor, Ishrat Husain, gave a snapshot of the country’s advances in the five years starting October 1999, when General Pervez Musharraf wrested power from the elected government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. The impressive record is marred by poverty and unemployment, which are getting worse.
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In 1999, “poverty incidence” was 33 percent. In other words, a third of Pakistan’s 145 million people were then classified as poor. Although data is not available for October 2004, poverty is “perhaps rising,” Husain noted. The jobless rate, too, has increased to 8 percent from 6 percent.
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Statistics like these buttress the “windfall argument,” which says that nothing has fundamentally changed in Pakistan, even though most other macroeconomic indicators are looking up. The government’s budget deficit has fallen to 2.4 percent of gross domestic product, from 6.1 percent; the ratio of public debt to GDP is now a more manageable 68 percent, down from 100 percent.
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External debt has fallen to 37 percent of GDP from 52 percent in 1999. Foreign reserves have swelled.
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The skeptics are being unfair to Shaukat Aziz, who has been - first as Musharraf’s finance minister and then as prime minister since August - the architect of a modernization program that will pull Pakistan out of poverty if given some more time. Provided, of course, there isn’t another war with India.
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By reducing import tariffs to an average 10 percent - a third of their 1991 levels - Aziz started up the export engine in time for Pakistani-made textile and apparel to benefit from the new quota-free regime in global textile trade.
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Or take the privatization program, which was a nonstarter in the 1990s amid allegations of corruption that surrounded a system of staggered payments by buyers of government assets. State-owned companies are now sold transparently through open bidding, and buyers pay up front. The government uses asset sales proceeds mostly to repay debt.
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As much as 80 percent of the banking system’s assets have slipped out of oppressive government control that brings with it the malaise of state-directed lending and asset misallocation.
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In 2003, a 51 percent stake was sold in Habib Bank, the country’s second-biggest lender. As many as 14 investors, including Singapore Telecommunications, are in the race for management control of Pakistan Telecommunications, the nation’s biggest fixed-line phone service provider. Soon, Pakistan State Oil, a government-run fuel marketer, will pass into private hands.
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Since October 1999, the 100-share Karachi Stock Exchange index has been the world’s second-best performing benchmark, returning almost 424 percent in U.S. dollar terms.
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Pakistan’s economy did well when Ayub Khan was dictator in the 1960s, and then again under Zia ul-Haq between 1977 and 1988. Since higher growth of those periods did not last, why should it now? Growth may be sustained this time because the painful changes Aziz has pushed through in the last five years are going to be irreversible - under any political dispensation.
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“I can’t imagine any future leadership taking steps to nationalize banks or undo the privatization process,” Husain, the State Bank of Pakistan governor, said in a recent speech.
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Investors like the certainty that dictators offer; they also like the protection of property rights that comes with strong democratic institutions. What they don’t like are fledgling democracies minus institutions, especially if they are also struggling economically.
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And that’s what Pakistan was in the 1990s. Wolfensohn is right. The challenge now is to “stay the course” and build institutions that would bring investments and jobs - even when Musharraf steps down as army chief.
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/10/bloomberg/sxmuk.html

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^ yeah, I read that...where did it say 7.5% growth rate or even 6.6%? Did you even read the article?

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Pak Army is the cause of all our troubles. They are out to maintain their own power to be glorified and have global position as the danda (stick) of the U.S. by sucking on the blood of the ordinary Pakistani peoples. With a weak army, Pakistan as a country would've been much better off. I doubt India would have attacked to take away our territory and we would be in the same position as now, with respect to Kashmir.

Superpowerful Pak Army institution sucks. Downsize it big time! We don't need it! Any intelligent Pakistani who feels for his people instead of stoking his overinflated patriotic ego of being a "power" knows the uselessness of the Army.

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i have never believed that Pakistan is a failed state. alhamdulillah we have come a long way and r on the way to more progress :jhanda: