Now here lies the opportunity for you guys to dis-associate your self from the Indian crowd, The Indian Dream team rituals, Indian Cricket-cum YUDH mentality,
**And last but not the least THE TOTALLY DIFFERENT MENTAL APPROACH to the game of cricket by these two nations. **
I understand the Language & Cultral similarities, but thats where the buck stops.
I’m not surprised that no one on this board ever thought on those lines. You need vision far further to your leg stump bearings,and above the bowlers arm
You see the problem lies here that each time you compare an apple to an apple and Orage to an Orange, The Indian cricket is given those Apples & Oranges by our own media and the ^ ^ public in general, thus “the tedpoles of the pond have less places to go to” expression come to my mind.
Why not start comparing your self with the other quality teams around us. Sri-Lanka, South Africans, England, West Indians, Austrailia etc. These are the teams that we are likely to compete against in the WC.
By prioritising your efforts to only ‘Beat India’ target is stupendous and naive.
I think this rivalry have seen its better days and now should come to an end.
We can start enjoying our new found love and still appreciate Indian “BhaaJee” and “Sachi-Suchi” Indian heroes through commercial advertisments.
Pakistan cricket is far superior and rich with budding talents compare to India.
These are the ‘Statistics’ on the papar so far and by this I don’t mean the .
where the ‘Regional’ qouta system dictates the selection even if they have to compromise on the available quality of the Player.
I enjoy the close encounter matches between these 2 teams, and in some cases the results are cleanly predictable. Not taking any thing away from the Indians to give us the close shave treatments now and then.
As the Pakistani nation has clearly indicated that they “Love their game of cricket” and they can accept losses and they do vent their low key emotions, and they do celeberate wins and they do embrace and forgive discarded players again. because, " Its the win that matters "
Are u comparing India to Bangladesh, Kenya and Zimbabwe..:D or are u comparing Pakistan to Australia.
Did u ever won a test match in Australia last time Pakistan played. Atleast India managed to do that.And even in one dayers.. Australians are I should grudgingly admit, that they have far better players who can perform in **any kind of pitches **than Pakistan has. One series win against India should not get on to ur head and declare that now pakistan has arrived. :D .
And about culture. Let me add. I dont know how much similar the culture of Indians and Pakistani people are..but i am very sure that their cricketing culture is quite similar. They are totally unpredictable. be it Pakistan or India.
Any way if u wish to compare to better teams then do so. We will be waiting for you at the bottom of the table to meet u guys soon.:D
Yes! We should set our selves high standards to achieve such level of performances.
Pakistan cricket has its own problems and drawbacks.
Least we could do to get our selves shackle free from the "Indian mentality" of cricket passion and dopping 'ordinary players' as super heroes and Mahan Bhagwan rituals.
I'm not suggesting any thing about what India should or should not do.
My concern is Pakistan Cricket, and historicaly speaking India is far behind in numbers game.
What India did in Australia in 2003/2004 was remarkable, but you have to keep in mind that neither McGrath nor Warne played in that series. But wonderful performances by Team India nevertheless. I will forever be a fan of Laxman.
I have no idea what you said above in 1st post, only thing I could get and agree with is that Pakistan cricket is different than Indian. the talent we found performed very well goes to show that we have lot more in the waiting/need of grooming. Yes we should aspire to compete against Australia, targetting to beat India was just one baby-step… when this team went on to tour India everyone including myself didn’t count the bowling as penetrating (some said club level/weakest in history etc.) but still the team made us proud.
The reason of our cheering and ‘partying’ for these victories is not that we levelled the series with a number 3 team in Tests and beat the number 8 team in ODIs 4-2, but the reason is that this same Indian team beat us in our own home when we thought our team then was much stronger (than current one) while this current “weak” team beat the same opposition in their own backyard!
Let me further elaborate a leading point for some less receptives here.
The Mad rush for cricket passion has resulted false pressures and misleading stories which has demolished careers of many great players still in their prime today.
Since we displayed a better sense of cricket appreciation (During India's tour of Pakistan)
and with just concluded tour has quite rightly placed Pakistan on a different bracket all to gether.
Now is the time to ride the wave alone.
Stop comapring your cricket with India when there IS no comparison
Pakistan plays cricket and India does the 'Yudh'
Indians are very 'narrow minded' and self contained in their own game,
where as Pakistan is very receptive and forcoming to regional cricket, new venues ++.
For instance Pakistan offered India to play matches during Indians self imposed ban.
While Pakistan offered to play at neutral grounds despite inflicting heavy losses, Indians stopped comming to Sharjah even, making Umpiring standard an issue.
If you look closely we have nothing in commen.
Yes! We must play our matches with India as per ICC schedule!
But stop this nonsence of INzi vs Ganguly & Sehwag vs Afridi. Akram vs Pathan frenzy,,,
Stop bashing your own players after all they are Pakistanis and were or are the part of the team. Stop treating them like trators
This suits the Indian style of making heroes from zeros.
And also note my India regional selection comment too.
Over the past 24 months, cricket has made me even prouder to be a Pakistani than i was before. Cricket has really brought out the most noble in Pakistan and Pakistanis, though sadly in sharp contrast to across the border.
During the time of elevated tensions between Pakistan and India, Pakistan kept politics out of cricket by being willing to play against India, but India refused and insisted on politicising it.
When India visited Pakistan, wherever in the country they played they found Pakistanis being good sports and cheering them on as they played. Whereas Indians only did this in similar numbers in Punjab.
When India won in Pakistan, they found Pakistanis celebrating their victory. When India won in Pakistan, Pakistanis set of fireworks to celebrate; when Pakistan won in India, Indians threw bottles and other objects onto the pitch.
The differing attitudes of the two peoples frankly is just another example of two-nation theory - Jinnah said that we have distinct values and this has manifested itself in the response to cricket.
Arguably, the one exception was in Indian Punjab, where the Indian crowd were as sporting as Pakistanis. I therefore propose that any peace settlement between India and Pakistan involves Pakistan annexing Indian Punjab
I think Indian and Pakistani cricket has a lot more in common. Same kinda regional BS where players from different cities are promoted not based entirely on talent, corrupt and autocratic Board management, a fetish for superstars who can win matches "single-handedly", emotional fans who one hand can wait 20 hours in scortching heat to welcome a winning team and on the other hand will not shy away from throwing stones at their homes if the team lost. Both teams have foreign coaches, because superstar players don't take orders from a desi.
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Thank you! Perhaps you can decipher some of my posts with same vigor and enthusiasm rather than to ‘give in’ without going half way through,
Ps; Its still Practice! commenly used, is sound is the vocal reference,
I beg to differ. True our board is slightly biased but it has improved significantly. If you look at recent times, many times we have had like 4 pathan players in the side. Sometimes 4 players from Khi in the side. We have had a Christian VC. I think every player who on MERIT deserved to be in the side was always given a chance regardless of ethnic background.
Our board I think does have its good points. Just look at the recent India tour of Pakistan. It was a flawless exhibition of management and organization. Just compare it to the Indian effort which was riddled with security, itenary and broadcast problems.
I think Indian fans are a lot more passionate than Paki fans, GENERALLY. There has never been any nasty incidents when Pakistan were on the receiving end of some one sided victories. Our crowd was a much better sport. All this because there is less cricket “fanaticsm”. Can’t say the same for Indian crowds.
Superstar power, due to the nature of players Pakistan have produced over recent years has always been there. But even for them, performance on the field took precedence to commercial engagements. Recently, superstar culture has diminished with more focus on team spirit and commitment. As for foreign coach, I beleive it has less to do with players listening and more to do with all the politics involved with those in the board.
Our cricket setup is hardly perfect, but I would say is a lot brighter than its Indian counterpart. Just look at the conditoin of the stadiums/grounds in India as compared to Pakistan. Then compare the revenue of PCB and BCCI.
the talent we found performed very well goes to show that we have lot more in the waiting/need of grooming. Yes we should aspire to compete against Australia, targetting to beat India was just one baby-step… when this team went on to tour India everyone including myself didn’t count the bowling as penetrating (some said club level/weakest in history etc.) but still the team made us proud.
