Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

[mo293]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

Yeap...you got that right like Maoist of India. Unlike, the Pakistani society, the Indian society is accepting it as a problem, it also understand what drives people into their hands.

If you follow news closely, 250 policemen (forest dept), including 4 IPS officers were jailed for atrocities against a villagers who refused to cooperate with authories on a hunt for one of the deadliest bandits of India.

Yeah genius, if I was to post the resume of Maoist starting from Naxalbari Village all the way to half of India along with some Juicy HRW reports all you are going to do is deny and living in denial is where you excel. Living in denial and hard core obesssion with bad Pakis that is an Indian hallmark.

Having your own back yard radio active and worring about Paki back yard.. LMAO....

[javedmiandad]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

you did not like it ? so it is immature and unintelligent.

was not bangladesh an islamic brotherhood ? islamic brotherhood is not going to help you in political matters sir, it is geopolitic where ethnicity, language, cultures dominate, pakistan is different from afghanistan in all matters, when matters of physical gain and loss come into question no body considers religion see the whole islamic world , almost half of them are fighting with one another or fighting for somebody else. forget about afghanistan firstly try to keep your house pakistan in order.

title of thread is Pakistan in Afghanistan not pakistan in bangledesh or pakistan in jamaica.

Islamic bond is what give muslims honour without it they are nothing. It is this islamic bond which made the muslims a superpower with land stretching from china to Morocco, this islamic bond which gave the people tranquility when today without this unity they have chaos and destruction.

Pakistan and afghanistan is one before and it will be one again no matter how hard the americans and indian agencies try to destroy this link. You are correct on one issue with this disunity and nationlistic attitude they now fighting each other for somebody else look at pakistan fighting americas war!

[indik]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

title of thread is Pakistan in Afghanistan not pakistan in bangledesh or pakistan in jamaica.

instead of answering my question "why did islamic brother hood not saved bangla muslims from masacre by pakistani army" you are trying to lecture me about title of the thread , simultaneously singing song of islamic brotherhood with afghanistan .

do you know what does reference and context means ? do you understand if some thing is being quoted as example ? bangladesh was quoted as example in context of islamic brotherhood . in matters of greed and power nobody spares co religionists too , in bangladesh muslims killed muslims ,where went brother hood of religion then.the same brotherhood you are relating with afghanistan?

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Islamic bond is what give muslims honour without it they are nothing. It is this islamic bond which made the muslims a superpower with land stretching from china to Morocco, this islamic bond which gave the people tranquility when today without this unity they have chaos and destruction.

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muslim super power of middle ages killed mostly muslims , do you know how many (honourd) super powered muslims were killed brutally by your super muslim powers ? crores of muslims were masacred by your dream powers , dont talk about mangols they were famous for exterminating whole populations of countries , go read what halaku khan said to baghdad rulers , how many people were left alive by your super power. do you know?

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Pakistan and afghanistan is one before and it will be one again no matter how hard the americans and indian agencies try to destroy this link. You are correct on one issue with this disunity and nationlistic attitude they now fighting each other for somebody else look at pakistan fighting americas war!
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forget brotherhood .
afghanis don't consider any body equal to them , can you tell when pakistan and afghanistan was one ,some time in history afghans ruled some areas of modern day pakistan and india ,they are still intoxicated by that history of their ahmad shah baba who killed lakhs of hindus and muslims in punjab and kashmir , those killed persons were forefathers of modern people of pakistan and india . afghanis have stiil some complex of ruling power and consider pakistanis two a penny . modern day power comes through science and technology , industry and stable economy ,. dont be intoxicated by sugar coated stories of middle age super power,

[indik]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

Yeah genius, if I was to post the resume of Maoist starting from Naxalbari Village all the way to half of India along with some Juicy HRW reports all you are going to do is deny and living in denial is where you excel. Living in denial and hard core obesssion with bad Pakis that is an Indian hallmark.

Having your own back yard radio active and worring about Paki back yard.. LMAO....

who is stopping you if you have some thing of essence ?
there is no denial we are having promblems of insurrgency , we are not living in denial. we accept it and we are dealing with iron hands as we have done in case of khalistan nurtured by whome ? you know well .
instead of threatening about you posting something about naxalbari ,why dont you come up with the detail and whole storey you know. you tell us what we dont know? no problem in it.

forget about others back yard when whole house is on fire.

[tipusulatn]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

Muslim brotherhood is a powerful tool, but it should come with social justice and equality as well, we failed in Bangladesh because we did not provided
them social justice and did not treat the equally.

There are atrocities committed by both side, Pakistan army and Mukti Bahni as well, though these are highly exaggerated but nevertheless it should not be happened as no reasonable person would defend it.

We are ashamed on it not doubt.

**"dont talk about mangols they were famous for exterminating whole populations of countries , go read what halaku khan said to baghdad rulers , how many people were left alive by your super power. do you know?"

Sir get your fact right, i think you are confuse becouse of KHAN in the name but the fact **Mangols including Halaku Khan were not muslim at that pint of history, only after death of Taters converted to Islam.

[mo293]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

@indik

there is no denial we are having promblems of insurrgency , we are not living in denial.
instead of threatening about you posting something about naxalbari ,why dont you come up with the detail and whole storey you know. you tell us what we dont know? no problem in it.

Well, instead of poking your nose in every Paki thread why don’t you go fix your own red corridor which by your own PM is the most deadly threat to India.

But I guess you guyz have mastered the art of BSing but only fooling yourself.

Well is a picture worth a 1000 words???

Here read this and go fix your problems instead of worring about us bad pakis…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8266550.stm

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh says the insurgency is the single biggest threat to India’s security. Maoist violence affects a third of all districts. Last week, Mr Singh said India was losing the battle against the rebels.

[indik]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

Sir get your fact right, i think you are confuse becouse of KHAN in the name but the fact Mangols including Halaku Khan were not muslim at that pint of history, only after death of Taters converted to Islam.

yes halaku accepted islam in iran , thank you for pointing it , but the character of warfare and policy remained same.
i got carried away with the statement *muslim super power ruling from china to morocco *. any way you know *mangols carried their habit of massacring and making skull towers even after adopting islam *, most of the battles they faught with were muslims. what did taimur do when he went up till spain .

[indik]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

@mo293

Well, instead of poking your nose in every Paki thread why don’t you go fix your own red corridor which by your own PM is the most deadly threat to India.

But I guess you guyz have mastered the art of BSing but only fooling yourself.

Well is a picture worth a 1000 words???

Here read this and go fix your problems instead of worring about us bad pakis…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8266550.stm

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh says the insurgency is the single biggest threat to India’s security. Maoist violence affects a third of all districts. Last week, Mr Singh said India was losing the battle against the rebels.

that is all ? india is losing battle
certainly a picture alongwith it , but we have it already . no denying it.we are dealing with it.

i was hoping volumes and volumes of stories of naxalbari including stories of kanu sanyal and vinod misra . but here you are only threatening and warning about b.s. and poking of nose in pakistani affaiars .

[mo293]

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@indik

that is all ? india is loosing battle

No no no how can India lose especially with an Iron Fist… .. From a small village to 1/3 India with their own govt is a win win for all LMAO..

BBC News - Are India's Maoist rebels winning the war?

Ah yes… but who cares, lets talk about Pakis instead…

Thanks You…

[Ali_Syed]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

Indik dont derail the thread, this thread has got nothing to do with mongols, India, Bangladesh etc.

[BindazChakkar]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

Historically Pakistan has claimed a 'strategic depth' in Afghanistan as a necessity for their own existence. This is a flawed notion but it is not just that. They have completely been blind to how the Afghans react to such a statement - because this so called 'strategy' completely treats and assumes Afghanistan to be a vassal state for Pakistan!

Secondly, Afghans have become painfully aware of the divide//subdivide/fraction & rule techniques that past Pakistani agencies have tried (with some past success). This has made them doubly fortified AGAINST uncalled for Pakistani involvement.

So you end up with the current day's unsustainable but continuing state of millions of Afghan refugees inside Pakistan even as Pakistan & Afghanistan exchanging fire without ANY clarity on who is firing on who. Things are so ridiculous that it is entirely possible that some Afghan inside Pakistan is firing at some Pakistani inside Afghanistan!

The worst card dealt here to Afghanistan, is the Pakistani hatred of India. By not allowing India land routes to send aid, supplies and equipment to Afghanistan, Pakistan thinks they are clutching Afghanistan....Once again they seem blissfully ignorant of how much this rankles the Afghans since everything becomes rare and expensive because of this.

What Pakistan is doing to Afghans, wittingly or unwittingly, is immoral

[Captain1]

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@BindazChakkar

Historically Pakistan has claimed a 'strategic depth' in Afghanistan as a necessity for their own existence. This is a flawed notion but it is not just that. They have completely been blind to how the Afghans react to such a statement - because this so called 'strategy' completely treats and assumes Afghanistan to be a vassal state for Pakistan!

Which one is better, let Afghans decide, not you or me or US.

@BindazChakkar

Secondly, Afghans have become painfully aware of the divide//subdivide/fraction & rule techniques that past Pakistani agencies have tried (with some past success). This has made them doubly fortified AGAINST uncalled for Pakistani involvement.

So by uniting all Afghans under Taliban umbrella, Pakistan practiced "divide and rule".... how is that?

@BindazChakkar

So you end up with the current day's unsustainable but continuing state of millions of Afghan refugees inside Pakistan even as Pakistan & Afghanistan exchanging fire without ANY clarity on who is firing on who. Things are so ridiculous that it is entirely possible that some Afghan inside Pakistan is firing at some Pakistani inside Afghanistan!

WRONG. We end up with millions of Afghan refugees because of daisy-cutter dropped on them in Afghanistan, get it?

@BindazChakkar

The worst card dealt here to Afghanistan, is the Pakistani hatred of India. By not allowing India land routes to send aid, supplies and equipment to Afghanistan, Pakistan thinks they are clutching Afghanistan....Once again they seem blissfully ignorant of how much this rankles the Afghans since everything becomes rare and expensive because of this.

What Pakistan is doing to Afghans, wittingly or unwittingly, is immoral

and what is of interest in Afghanistan to India? Don't give me "humanitarian aid" BS because we all know about problems within India.

[BindazChakkar]

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@Captain1

Which one is better, let Afghans decide, not you or me or US.

So by uniting all Afghans under Taliban umbrella, Pakistan practiced "divide and rule".... how is that?

WRONG. We end up with millions of Afghan refugees because of daisy-cutter dropped on them in Afghanistan, get it?

and what is of interest in Afghanistan to India? Don't give me "humanitarian aid" BS because we all know about problems within India.

1. There is nothing to decide in what I said - it is simply a recognition of what Pakistan has attempted in the past and how Afghans have reacted to it. By thinking of it as a still open decision, it is clear you harbor the same notions of your prior Pakistani leaders who got you into this mess!

2. There is uniting and then there is colluding. Under Taleban Afghanistan was regressing towards cave mentality. From an imperial point of view you may think you were uniting but is it possible that Afghans felt differently? You sound like the Brit who said the colonies owe the empire their existence and should thank the Majesty du jor

3. As events have revealed lately may be if Pakistan hadn't played double games, the dasiy cutters would have been avoided.

4. Too bad you think humanitarian is BS. How does one argue you out such a noble stand

[Captain1]

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@BindazChakkar

1. There is nothing to decide in what I said - it is simply a recognition of what Pakistan has attempted in the past and how Afghans have reacted to it. By thinking of it as a still open decision, it is clear you harbor the same notions of your prior Pakistani leaders who got you into this mess!

No, what I harbor or not is not going to make a difference. What matters is what Afghanis are facing, what they have gone through and what rest of the world forces on them i.e. Russia, US.

@BindazChakkar

1. There is uniting and then there is colluding. Under Taleban Afghanistan was regressing towards cave mentality. From an imperial point of view you may think you were uniting but is it possible that Afghans felt differently? You sound like the Brit who said the colonies owe the empire their existence and should thank the Majesty du jor

Again, looks like you were born after 2000, you need to read how Taliban 'spread' and how they came to control majority of Afghanistan.

@BindazChakkar

1. As events have revealed lately may be if Pakistan hadn't played double games, the dasiy cutters would have been avoided.

As events were unfolding you should've paid attention to the news in and out of Afghanistan otherwise you wouldn't be saying this.

@BindazChakkar

1. Too bad you think humanitarian is BS. How does one argue you out such a noble stand

Again, looks like you are out of touch from worldly reality, as you guys keep jumping up and down about how China is not "friend" of Pakistan because China is "using" Pakistan for its purposes, similarly India is using its "humanitarian" cloak to influence Afghanis out of Pakistan's control and longer term objectives. Of course you being Indian the bias will blind you out.

[BindazChakkar]

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@Captain1 - so the net effect of ^ is from YOUR point of view Afghans should be thankful to Pakistan and not get too close to India. Unfortunately for you and fortunately for Afghanistan, while Pakistan can make things more expensive for the Afghans but can't fully prevent then from getting what they want and what India (or anyother country) is willing/able to provide.

It is blackmail, the game Pakistan tries to play here and that is why I called it immoral. There are two other places where Pakistan played similar blackmail as strategy and it both cases their own tools & techniques came back to bite them - one was against Bengalis where "establishment" did that "it is either my government or none" and went against the will of the majority of Pakistani people - this resulted in Bangladesh. Blackmail was tried in Kashmir as well - either India come to table or we will continue support to terrorists under the name of "mujahiddeen". This almost succeeded except events out of Afghanistan took over the world stage and you know the result (India got lucky on Kashmir front)!

My point is, may be there is something called natural justice

[Med911]

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^Pakistan has been on the receiving end of Afghanistan for years. Before the Afghan war, we were victims of Afghans trying to instigate the rebellion among Pashtuns. Later, we were the direct recipients of their refugees, their guns, their drugs and their hostilities. India has actually benefited by having Pakistan separate the two. If there were no Pakistan, it would be the Indian govt dealing with Afghan instigation in the Pashtun belt etc, among all the other problems that come with being a neighbors of Afghans. That you are firendly ith them is because you dont have to deal with them.

Blackmail? Call it what you like, but all govts blackmail. Its not something that is confined to Pakistan. America, the Soviets, the Israelis, the Palestinians, even your govt.
In Kashmir, its either the Indian govt or the Indian Army, in Hyderabad Deccan it was either the Indian govt or nothing, in Goa it was the same, as it was in Junagarh, in Punjab in the 80's, the Maoists, etc etc.

I mean blackmail is a part of power politics. Countries blackmail all the time. For you to think India can somehow take the moral high-ground on this issue, is quite literally "Horse manure." :)

And the less said on Kashmir the better. You know where we all stand on that issue. And in all honestly, no bias here, I believe our case is stronger then yours.

[Doppleganger]

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yes halaku accepted islam in iran , thank you for pointing it , but the character of warfare and policy remained same. i got carried away with the statement *muslim super power ruling from china to morocco *. any way you know *mangols carried their habit of massacring and making skull towers even after adopting islam *, most of the battles they faught with were muslims. what did taimur do when he went up till spain .

halagu wasn't a muslim.

[Captain1]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

@Captain1 - so the net effect of ^ is from YOUR point of view Afghans should be thankful to Pakistan and not get too close to India. Unfortunately for you and fortunately for Afghanistan, while Pakistan can make things more expensive for the Afghans but can't fully prevent then from getting what they want and what India (or anyother country) is willing/able to provide.

You are suggesting as if India was working with people (awaam) of Afghanistan and not some "war-lords".

It is blackmail, the game Pakistan tries to play here and that is why I called it immoral. There are two other places where Pakistan played similar blackmail as strategy and it both cases their own tools & techniques came back to bite them - one was against Bengalis where "establishment" did that "it is either my government or none" and went against the will of the majority of Pakistani people - this resulted in Bangladesh. Blackmail was tried in Kashmir as well - either India come to table or we will continue support to terrorists under the name of "mujahiddeen". This almost succeeded except events out of Afghanistan took over the world stage and you know the result (India got lucky on Kashmir front)!

Sorry the "blackmail" in the current geopolitics is being done by US to Pakistan and not some other ways, we can always agree to disagree. Pak-Beng was different unfortunate story.

[Doppleganger]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe? My point is, may be there is something ca

woudn't natural justice be an independent or autonomous kashmir?

[indik]

Re: Pakistan in Afghanistan: Friend or Foe?

halagu wasn't a muslim.

thank you for correcting me sir , yes later ilkhans adopted islam , but hulagu never was converted and died with his traditional religion.