Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
I just think Pakistan as a so called Muslim state is an insult to to the vision of its founder and Islam itself. We are a nation of hypocrites.
While we ban drinking, nudity, and homosexualityand what not, as in accordance with the Koran, the entire society still partakes in such vices, including those who make such laws. Drinking is rampant, nudity can be bought on every corner, and homosexuality, well the less said the better. So what has anyone gained from this so called Islamic society.. And the more “Islamic” we become the worse it gets. Where do you think all this terrorism, secretarian violence stems from? Pakistans obsession with making itself Islamic.
So I welcome liberalization, and secular society because atleast we areen;t living a lie and paying the consequences for it.
And btw, Drinking in excess is considered bad in the US and West, not drinking in general.. Nudity in Public is bad, not in designated places… And Homosexuality isnt considered a crime in any secular country…
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
I think by moderate they mean being Muslim but not forcing ones views on everyone else.. And it doesnt mean trying to apply Islam fanatically to everything under the sun.. A Wahabi, Taliban type would be a hardcore Muslim..
The guy living across the street who is Muslim, but doesnt have a beard and dresses like anyone else, and doesnt concern himself about your beliefs is a moderate…
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
you should really study alot of books and literature about islam because you really know nothing about your religion.but please try to avoid the propaganda literature of western people.have you ever read the meaning of Quran by your self?
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
fantastic article.....ata ul haq qasmi is a great writer.....
well moderation(western) is the need of america...and it is produced by america to make muslims weaker and divide them....some body should ask busharaf to go to marina club and i m dam sure he will be happy to see the succeess of his god father bush moderation...especially on weekends
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
This isnt about reading a lot of books on Islam… Its comman sense..
Islam shouldnt be forced on people.. If people choose to live their lives according to Islam, then fine, if the choose to be liberal or moderate, thats fine too…
And I have read the Koran FOR MYSELF…
Thats the point, I dont care what others believe, its my belief that counts to me..
I find meaning in it for myself… I think it promotes liberal progressive thinking, modesty, and moderation. But thats just me.
Point is, if god willing Pakistan is becomign more liberal then thats a good thin and I welcome it. Life will be easier for a lot of people..
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Moderation mean not taking anything to an extreme… So your saying thats a Western concept to weaken Islam? We should reject moderation and take everything to an extreme, or not do it all? What exactly do Westerners want us to moderate? How much we eat? How much we sleep? How much we expose ourselves in public? What does this grand Western conspiracy intend to moderate in the Islamic world so as to weaken us? Do they intend to expose us the evils of economic prosperity, hih literacy and human rights? God Fordbid!
Westerners dont have to waste their time weakening Islam, Muslims do fine job on their own…
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
youcannot understand Quran in its true sense without the help of hidth and tafseers.whenever you want to study any subject and literature of any language you have to know the back ground ,all aspects of that subject and all researches about that topic .then you can understand it.as far as the book of Allah concerns you find it to easy that you know"everything".it is so false thinking.and every muslim should get the knowledge of Quran to follow it not to improve his/her information.people spends their whole life to study their subjects but when it comes to their holy book they say we know every thing and keep that book safely in their cupboards.Quran says about this type of people in surah bakarah “we heard and we refused to follow it”
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
Im not saying I know everything.. All I am saying is that I perfer to learn not what other people want me learn, but learn how it can apply in my life. Regardless of how much back ground knowledge you have, the Koran, like anything and evrything else that is created is open to interpretation. The Life of the prophet for example which so many people look to for guidance can itself be interpreted differently by different people.
Plus research and background is fine, but religion isnt a legal document, its not historical either. A religion, regardless of it background is worthless unless it gives meaning to your life. The only way something can have meaning in your life is if you interpret your faith so that it applies to your life and your society.
Surrah Bakra is right, some people hear, but people can hear the same thing and understand it in very different ways... Who can say who is right and who is wrong? Some scholar? I dont think so...
I think ultimately God would want us to acknowledge the Koran, by find its meaning for ourselves. Only then can it be meaningful. It has basic, fundamental teaching, everything else is dressing. The five pillars are only as strong as the base upon which they are built..
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
when ever you see any religion you have to see the behaviour of the followers of that religion.i am not talking about so -called scholars who want to change everything.they say drinking is not forbidden,money for Hajj should spend in charity,purdahh was only for that period of Islam or it was only for Umaha-tul-mominine etc etc.you can read the literature of authentic writers like molana Mododi,Doctor Israr Ahmad ,molana Amin Islahi etc.by our religion we know that Allah opens or simplify that way for us for which we try our best.if we try for this world or want to follow satan,it will be easy forus and if we try for truth or the way of Allah that will be easy for us.Atleast we will be satisfied that we tried ourbest.but prolem is that we are so carefree and easy-going about religious matters and we find it easy to blame someone else for our deeds.you should start study then you can differentiate between right and wrong.remember hidth should be the part of that study.may God help you .
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Following Islam doesn’t mean going to extreme.
“Democracy” and “Liberalism” demand that religion be not part of Law/Government, means it should be “secular”. When law goes secular you know what happens, homosexuals and so called “rights activists” popping out etc.
We should “reject” the so called moderation, yes, but that does not mean taking everything to extreme, why can’t you follow your religion and not be extremist about it?
The grand Western conspiracy is described above… remove religion from Government.
yes, Muslim do a fine job on their own by following “westerners”, by liberalisation of dressing etc.
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Yeah..when law goes secular all those “rights” people keep popping out..look at the west they are always crying..“look at us..we are gay..we want equal protection”…“look as us…we are muslims…we want equal protection”. Same thing really …they need to STFU and do what Captain is saying. Stupid minorities.
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
^ “rights” was not in reference to “religious” rights but if you want to bring it up, fine. I’m sure you will be a front-runner for the prostitutes rights
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Minorties are minorities yaar..be they chinese, gay or muslim. Imagine if you are gay chinaman from Xinjiang. Talk about a three strikes under Captain’s law.
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
u even know wht taliban means??? hahaha…i laugh how much u people have been impressed by western propoganda…islam is the key of success for muslims …so called moderation will lead us to way of destruction
Talk about a three strikes under Captain’s law.