Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Sure modernization is different from decadence IF by modernization you mean developing lower child birth rates, increased literacy, urbanisatiom, industrialisation, decreasing crime and corruption etc.
On the other hand, the only First World traits we are eager to glorify and implement are their music videos, fashion trends and drinking/social habits. That sort of enlightened moderation we can do without.
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
SK jaani, it is part and parcel. Just like religions offer peace and also justify slashing throats etc..western culture offers individual growth at the cost of Brittany Spears. It is up to an individual to pick and choose..unlike the former..there is choice in the latter, thus better
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
^ You know what, if both things were happening then maybe there wouldn't be too many complaints. But right now, just the decadence is rampant and the good "part" of the modernisation is yet to even materialize.
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
Why do you think that is Sk? What is stopping the inflow of capital, investments, cultural exchanges, democratic values, reduction in corruption..what is it? Could be the culture, relious, governance that is in place?
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
I totally disagree with the interpertation of different situations in this article....
"A 'Raqasa' in Sahiwal throwing her shirt away in the audience is more of a 'Jahalat/Ignorance/Janglee pan' rather then that of Modernism....I have no clue why people don't try to understand that Nudism/Nudity is not 'Modernism' but shows a low Intellect....So the author should have been more worried about equating Nudism to Barbarianism rather then calssifying it as an effort towards modernity...
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
If we knew that, then the world would have a lot less problems. How do you think decadence and general moral break down of society helps in this matter?
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Hey homes, just shut the F up, if that was the case, Bhindia would be the biggest FDI destination, and guess what it ain’t. But wait there, Bhindia is’nt exactly the paragon of religious tolerance, now is it…
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
A random and isolated act of nudity does not make Pakistan a nation of nudists. Just as one child killer doesn't equate that the whole nation is full of murderers. That is not how you gauge the trends.
As long as you are going to base your conclusions on anecdotal evidence anyway, atleast chose a reasonable driver to gauge the direction. For example if you walk in a normal city market and you most girls dressed in western clothing, or kids in most schools celebrating Halloween and Valentine's Day and our highest government officials throwing christmas parties and having a christmas tree in the Presidential palace... that shows you a trend.
Pakistan is definitely going in the direction of progressive values (atleast in big cities). There are various causes for that, and there are pros and cons for that. Living in western society we can see a lot of things these people do differently, and our hope will be that Pakistanis don't just pick up the newest fashion trends or dating techniques from the west, but rather also gain the traits of honesty, courtesy, hard work, research and respect for law (just to name a few).
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Chucha..what are you frothing for? I agree with you..but on a relative scale..it is much much more tolerant and espouses these values than let’s say Land’o’Pak. And the numbers speak for themself. Since you brought India up…May allah guide you in your journey towards Nirvana. :ramram:
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
But the hangman isn't hanging.........
Go back Jack do it again.
Then you love a little wild one .......
And she brings..........
What??
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
Sometimes I wonder about,,, what a strange place. They should wakeup and realize that we have our own culture and religion. We dont have to try being western......
We dont need to be like the Indians who jump for joy every time and Indian is remotely mentioned somewhere in Western media. We can exist outside of that sphere.
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
We shouldnt be worrying about changing the society as much as we should be trying to change or moderate ourselves. Ones own oppinion is just as valid as everyone else's. No one has the right to impose values on others. If the society as moving towards liberalization, then so be it.
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
does anyone among you know about the name of that school from which these students belongs to.any canadian can help please?
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Creation of Pakistan was based on what? … “religion”
Majority of Pakistani’s religion is what? … “Islam”
Forbid evil and encourage good, says who? … Allah
Now, all this “liberalization” is good in your opinion?
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
Well what PAKISTAN was made for is debatable… Refer back to the famous Jinnah speech. Basically, figure what everyones been scratching their head over for years, the basic premise on which Pakistan was created, Pakistans purpose its identity.. As long as their is no identity you cant argue about how it should or shouldnt be..
Second, you dont know what God wants, your interpretation and that of another doesnt necesarily have to be the same. So good and evil are relative.
Liberalization may be good or bad, depends on who you talk to.. But if the society is moving in that direction, if more and more people are becoming Liberal then who has the right to try and change them? Let those who like going to mosques go to their mosques and let those that dont have their way… No compulsion.
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
oh ,so we are seculars not muslims.I think you should study islam carefully.and not from that propaganda material.you should study Quran and tafseer of Quran.then you can understand why we are muslims and what are our duties towards our religion and our country.it is not the matter of your choice or my choice.
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
I know people question the purpose of creation of Pakistan all the time. A speech from Jinnah does not mean that it changed everything, are you forgetting Muslim Leagues meetings and public shouting (Pakistan ka matlab kia La Ilaha Il-Allah), public was for Pakistan only for Islam not for a secular country or not for Land-Lordism.
What I interpret and you may come under question if we are looking at different book, but Quran does give you guidelines on what is good and what is not. Drinking, nudity, homosexuality and whatnot are considered bad even NOW in many of US states and by non-Muslim majority of world at large, these are not just “my” interpretations of bad.
Re: Pakistan... heading fast towards being "moderate" and "liberal"
thats true.when we read all type of books ,why do not we read Quran and tafseer.we work hard for temprory lives and forget the life for ever.Pakistan is for muslims and we are moderate about the people of other religions.but Islam is in its true sense is moderate and no one should think about his own views to be that" moderate islam".
Re: Pakistan… heading fast towards being “moderate” and “liberal”
I dont care what “we” are… I only care about “we” as individuals who make up this society… If I and maybe millions of other Pakistanis including it founder chose or choose to be secular then god damn the scholars, who the hell are they to tell me what I should be…