Sir, this is for you on not blaming India:
It is not safe to say this. This is your presumption. How can I claim how many times this person delivered such lectures and how many people reacted on his lectures.
Yes, Intelligence agencies have been doing such acts. I am not sure of RAW at this time but other two are surely implicated in the case of Jeffery Epstein. Definitely Child abuse in Madrassas is an issue, which we totally abhor. Child abuse in Churches and other religious places are also similar issues. You should read these news too.
Your comments on generalizing appearance are rasict.
I beg to differ. Although TLP was able to win a few seats, no right wing religious party has ever been able to form a government (not even close). The situation in Pakistan is much more complex. Government has to fight on many fronts. The rise of extremism is directly related to the war with Russia, where all these Mujahideen were trained by CIA and ISI, with funding from CIA to fight the holy war in Afghanistan. Once war was over, and money flow stopped, these heavily armed groups started fighting with each other. India and other powers again started giving money and arms to different factions who were in minority but were against the majority Pathan-Afghans. We had very little religious hatred before the war with Afghanistan. Nowadays, anyone who gives money to these groups can make them fight. They have become mercenaries like Black Waters. You give them money and they will raise the flag of the party you want them to.
However, in India and Israel, the ultra-right wing extremist parties have come in power. So Pakistan is not a laughing stock of this world. We have issues which are keen on resolving, but overall, we are a much more moderate and tolerant society compared to India and Israel.
The building of the barbed wire wall along the Afghan border will be the first step to reduce foreign funded terrorism.
When 95 percent of street children are abused first night out then is it really generalizing?
Many priests are behind bars but somehow the population there protects many Molvis involved in child abuse
India and Israel are making tremendous economic progress, Israel is a very advanced society. Indian IT and other professionals are contributing to world and society whereas Pak is going down and now is behind Bangladesh in GDP and is one of the lowest in the world on progress stat. Bad actions and choices have bad consequences
I don’t believe in your numbers but if there is one percent of Children abused, even then it is too much. Our government most definitely must fix this issue as a top priority and provide safe shelters to the street children. A lot of who commit these crimes are put to jail, including molvis. You can check the news.
This is not uncommon in other places and reflects on the degradation of the human societies around the world. It is more in places where strong implementation of law is not enforced, but not only. It is not a religious issue and it is a societal issue. As per the U.S. National Statistics on Child Abuse, 1% of all kids in U.S. (~678,000) are victims of child abuse in data from 2018. This is a serious issue but not what you are trying to make it.
Not really, Church paid penalties in most cases and never revealed the name of the priests who were committing the crimes. Even the new VP Kamala Harris has been involved in the cover up operations. U.S. Federal attorney Alex Acosta gave the sweetheart deal to Jeffery Epstein knowingly because of Epstein’s close link to intelligence, politicians and the academia. Known British pedophile “Sir” Jimmy Savile got away because of his close links to the British Royal Family. And off course, we know about the royal Prince Andrew, who is refusing to appear in court in US. Canada’s own Peter Nygard was only recently caught when his years of abuse was known.
As per your criteria, China is then the most advanced society in this world. You should view the video by Abby Martin about the militarization and the dehumanization of the Israeli society. You can easily search it on the YouTube. It will give you the idea of the advancement of the society. If you mean that the more barbaric the society, more advanced the society becomes, then I won’t be able to counter that argument.
I totally respect that Indian IT has flourished and I have many great friends from India that work in the industry. Kudos to Mr. Narasimha Rao and India to keep strong focus on education and to develop its human potential. Modi is, now, destroying what was done before. He is taking the Indian society two steps back where racism and nationalism are taking deep roots and destroying the Indian basic fabric of democracy. Apart from a few, most of my Indian friends share this point of view. He has turned the news media into self-promoting, self-righteous radicalized outlets that keep on pushing false narratives for rating sake.
Funny how slaughter of bengalis, Balochs Yemenis Kurds etc is not barbaric.
I do believe China is a successful society so are Japanese and many other nations
India is a democracy and they can get rid of right wing same as in US
When you chose war and get decimated than you lose the right to complain
What makes me say that? Knowing the history, where is this issue coming from.. and some detail makes me say that.
But once again, let me repeat what I said. If India is doing the killing, how is it happening again & again & again INSIDE Pakistani territory? That would make Pakistani security agencies a heck of incompetent, no?
As mentioned above, Hazaras have been killed for more than a decade now. So..
this reference has nothing to do with topic. We are discussing sectarian violence so lets stick to that
Totally agree that Bobby is being dramatic as no one has ever said that Pakistan raped 700k bengali women.
Bobby reminds me of this punjabi dude who owned a liquor shop and had a trailer trash white woman as his wife to act all gora. Talk about a severe case of inferiority complex.
Germany and USSR were very well advanced economies that produced critical scientific breakthroughs so I guess that Nazis and Soviets were a bunch of good people on both sides like Trump said?
Killing of hazaras has nothing to do indian disinformation campaign but Pakistani ineptness sure will give rocket fuel to indian propaganda.
I don't get why NRPs can be so selfish when it comes to such issues. Would you feel the same way if white mob decided to burn and rape your family????
It is a pattern, bengalis, Balochs, muhajirs, Qadianis, Hindus, sikhs, Sindhis, pashtuns, Shias.
Facts can’t be denied. The atrocities that took place in Bangladesh are just being repeated. So yes Bengal is totally relevant as same disgusting scum of the earth are perpetrating and same scum gaslighting and same scum blaming foreign players
@Doppelganger so what is the source of your feelings of superiority, most converted from Hinduism and now act as if they are Arabs while Ssudis slap and spit on immigrants
I am not a gora but definitely a Canadian an subscribe to Canadian values
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The casual way and his comfort and the comfort of people around him speaks volumes. Plus there are many other undercover documentaries. I think rather than gaslighting your energies should be directed towards fighting extremism that has been normalized
It is funny to see your anger and hatred when facts are put in front of you and your beliefs are challenged. You have started to see patterns that appear big in Indian Chronicles only but in reality are part of challenges of running any country with such a large population. This only reason for your presence here seem to be propaganda. Pakistanis know their situation very well and know the issues and the challenges and slowly working to fix those. We have a strong and disciplined army, a large educated class, a vibrant media and a sincere leader and we are moving forward step by step. We have fought a very costly fight where we lost more than 80,000 of our people. Our enemies injected tremendous amount of money to destabilize us but we are winning and have flushed out terrorists from our territories. Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians are all Pakistanis and continue to contribute positively to the progress of Pakistan. A bogus Indian Chronicles propaganda system is the evidence that our neighbor is afraid of our progress and has every intention to malign and destabilize us. There is our evidence of foreign meddling.
Bengladesh:
The fall of Dhaka was orchestrated by KGB with the help of RAW. The actual dissent was sown much earlier than 1971. If you choose to read through unbiased history, even Bengali authors have written that it was not the Pakistan Army that committed rapes but the Indian agents of Mukti Bahni who raped to incite violence. I would suggest to see the following video so that you understand how the intelligence agencies played and how innocent Bengalis were made to play in their hands. Very sadly, there was bloodshed and most was started by Mukti Bahni agents and terrorists trained by KGB and Pakistan Army fought back in defense. But Pakistan had already lost East Pakistan before the war started. For me this was the biggest intelligence failure of Pakistan, exacerbated by Bhutto’s utter disregard for democracy. For Bhutto’s disregard of democratic elections, I believe that Pakistan should formally apologies to Bangladesh. I am only posting one link for you to understand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoqRbmL1Glw
Baluchistan:
This is a card that is being played for long time. The majority of the Baloch tribe consented to be part of Pakistan at the time of partition but there were a few that did not. They wanted to form a country of their own with the Iranian Baluchistan. The British always leave behind reasons of conflict so people continue to fight each other and remain weak. As most of Baluchistan is arid and there is little water, most of bigger Baloch tribes had moved to Sindh and had became farmers. All the major politicians that hold power in rural Sindh now are Balochs: Bhuttos, Mazari, Chandio, Gabol, Lashari, Umrani, etc. Tribes who were left behind were scattered around in far flung areas and were mostly nomads. With very little population centers apart from Quetta and Chaman, the development of the province could not take place. In addition, whenever development projects were started, the tribal leaders did not allow the projects to be started and demanded that the money be given to them and they would undertake the development work. Unfortunately, the tribal leaders never spent money in the development work and the provincial governments only spent money on the few major urban centers. This lead to the underdevelopment in the province.
During the Iran-Iraq war, Saudi’s gave money to the Baloch tribes on both the sides (Pakistan & Iran) to cause unrest in Iran and also to propagate the Baloch separatist movements in Iran. Then during the Afghan-Russian war, CIA wanted to promote jihad so that the people of the region fight against the Russians. This was done in conjunction with the Saudi money, when a number of small emissaries were created along the border to train fighters. Pakistan participated because there was massive propaganda that U.S.S.R’s actual target was the warm waters of the Persian Gulf and the next target after the fall of Afghanistan would be Pakistan. Once the war was over, and money stopped, a number of these people started the lucrative smuggling business between Iran and Pakistan. This was possible due to the long, unprotected open border between Iran and Pakistan and Afghanistan and Pakistan. Over time, polarization between Saudi and Iran increased and both Saudi and Iranian money was pored into different tribes of the border region and sporadic violence started to happen. However, Pakistan Army has been able to control most of the violence along the region but still more work is required. The building of the wall will help reduce this violence further. CPEC is a major sore point for the U.S. and India and the remaining fringe group are again given large amount of money through Afghan and Indian proxies to destabilize the region. It is India’s responsibility in the region to keep Baluchistan destabilized.
Through the Indian Chronicles, the proof is clear that the Baloch movement is more of a propaganda movement blown out of proportion by the Indian media. A large number of tribes, whose leaders were getting money from India and Afghanistan, have already quit the separatist movement and become mainstream. Overtime, this region will become more prosperous as CPEC is generating a large number of jobs and people of Baluchistan have already started to reap the benefits. The fringe groups that are still violent are losing their hold as CPEC is bringing economic prosperity.
Muhajir: Well, my family for once was Muhajir as they migrated from India during 1947. The Muhajir movement is more complex. Many of the Muslims who migrated during partition had studied in Aligarh University and were able to get job in the government immediately on coming to the new country. When ZAB came to power, he realized that the rural Sindh has very little participation in government jobs. Additionally, not many Sindhis could compete with the educated urbanites and hence they could not get in to the universities. Hence, ZAB introduced the quota system in Pakistan, where the students of rural areas were allocated a certain number of seats in each university. Overtime, this started to challenge the class that we holding majority of the posts in the government. This lead to resent in the Urban Sindh’s educated class which thought that unfair advantage is given to the rural Sindhis. The biggest party in Urban Sindh was Jamat-e-Islami at that time. Certain factions of the Jamat-e-Islami and Urban Sindh students formed the Muhajir National Movement to fight against this perceived injustice. However, the party which started with good intentions, when came into political power became a mafia with soul purpose of extortion of money from the people of Karachi. Over time, other factors jumped in the band wagon and an underground mafia developed in the Urban Sindh. This is common in all major cities of the world and nothing new. Mumbai, New York, Moscow, London, Sao Paolo, and other major cities have similar issues. Overtime, India started providing support to the mafias. The city became stuffed with arms. There was no political will to fight these mafias, as usually is the case every where. However, with increased involvement of India, it was realized that situation must be neutralized and a clean-out operation was started during Benazir’s time. This was portrayed by the Indian media as the suppression of minorities while it was a clean-out operation against the mafia. A large number of criminals and arms were recovered. One of the leader of the mafia, who was supported by India, fled to London, and is still there. Karachi is now again a much more safer city to live in. All there are still crimes but not at the scale when the mafias were operating. The property prices in Karachi have quadrupled since the operation clean-up and the economy is thriving.
Qadianis, Hindus, Sikhs, Sindhis, Pashtuns and Shias:
Sporadic issues with Qadianis and Shias have taken place but all of these communities are part of Pakistan and all contribute positively to the society. The number of terrorism related deaths in Pakistan have tremendously reduced and we are becoming more safe day by day.
Whenever there is injustice, Muslims feel the pain. The slaughter of Yemen is propagated by the Saudis and supported by the Western powers. It is your tax payer money that is being used to buy weapons and is thus causing blood shed in Yemen, hence you cannot blame it on other. Let me tell you who supports bloodshed in Yemen: Saudi, U.S., Israel, and rest of Western powers. One of the reason is to capture a Houthis held Island in the Indian Ocean, through which Chinese trade ships can be strangulated when required. The other is to reduce the growing influence of Iran.
Kurds: So you are either totally ignorant about the world politics or are just faking it. Kurds wanted to create their own homeland. This was again created by the British. Kurds want to unite to Kurdish tribes in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. How do you think any country will allow the separatist elements within their defined borders, who are funded by foreign powers. I am sure you know how British treated the Irish people struggle for Independence or how India treated the independence movement of Khalistan. At least, be consistent.
Your quote drips your complexes because in every second thread you have to bring the issue of how great you and your family are. You have no iota of idea how successful or unsuccessful others are on this forum. And absolutely no one cares how successful you are and it does not intimidate anyone. On top it is irrelevant to the discussion.
So you condone extreme violence when conducted by you or your cronies? Do you even realize what you say all seem contradicting.