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Posted by zafar2002
think you need to keep level of respect here. Again you need to look at my conversation in the light of other parties answer. You respect me I will respect you. You don't even know me and calling me BIG mouth and again its not very nice talking things like "you pakistanis have proven time and time again but being muslim is". That is totally uncalled for. I am sure you won't like this if I say exactly same about all INDIANS.
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I m sincerely sorry for my comments. No argumant about it. Got carried away and forgot decency here. Sorry again.
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(First of all I was talking in General meanings about Punishment, not on behalf of Pakistan or any Nation. Nationalism is nothing in Islam. We live in Pakistan so we have to respect our motherland, thats how far it goes) And when i was talking to Indian so I had to refer to him, you have to see my words in full context not just choose my words but read what I was referring to)
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Well U was talking about justice of ALLAH, and I too gave U a hint of what ALLAH's justice may have in store for U as a Pakistani citizen. Just like U was talking to Indian so U had to refer to him. Can U remind us what Indians have done in ur views that may call for punishment for them? Just to add to my knowledge.
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There are lots of muslims and christians live in India, Does India do full justice to all indians? Do the master of democracy fully implement their democracy and they are real democrate? ofcourse not. Even Pakistan was created on base of Islam (Do you consider it Islamic country? Ofcourse not and that is what I was pointing out, thats where we are all wrong. And for your information Pakistan is not an Islamic country (it was only created on that basis) And yes I wish it was Islamic then we wont be facing these problems, even if we was facing problems that is then Will of Allah and Allah knows the best. You or me know nothing even about our next breath.
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Offcourse yes, constitution of India offers full justice to its minorities, no doubt abut that, Thanks for calling us champions of democracy, but why u raised questions about it? May I ask some specific reasons for that?
I dont consider any country as Islamic, but do U find it appropriate that Pakistan should prefix Islamic before its name when its not Islamic country? doesnt it like making mockery of Islam? ur comments plz. India calls itself secular democracy coz its laws are based on principals of secularism and democracy. Thats where Pakistan fails and lose right to prefix Islamic before its name, correct me if I m wrong brother. I agree that ALLAH knows best, ALLAH hu Alim.
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You are abosultely right. We as a muslim need to look at ourself that where we going wrong, and by the way if you trying to quote surah's of Quran and spending time, why not spend some more time reading it through that may give you some eye opener too. We believe you are our brothers and sister's born as Muslims and so are all the human beings. We are all same. We believe our Allah is as much as your Allah, only you denying the fact.
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I was not just trying to quote ayah of holy quran, but have read it with full respect and doing that again and again to understand it. However I have some questions regarding it which are still unanswwered even after repeated attempts. BTW I consider it the best book available on earth. WE too believe that U are our brothers and sisters, born as human beings. And offcourse we are all creation of same ALLAH, who can doubt that??? And where are we denying that? plz answer.
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And remember no one is perfect, we are all humans but we can try to be better people better human being
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I agree with U that no one is perfect, we can try becoming better human beings and treating all humans as equal, as in secular democracies, but not in religious laws. dont u agree?
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You are right there again, but act of few politician doesnt mean every Pakistani wanted that. But if I ask you that question when US wanted to attack Afghanistan if Pakistan refused what would have happened?
If I was the president of Pakistan, I would have stoof against it and had faith in Allah and do whatever was right regardless of consequences, Mushy did what he thought was right to save his country (that was backstabbing own brothers and getting thousands killed in Pakistan which are getting killed everyday since 2001)
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Brother U can urself witness contradiction in ur two statements. Second one answers ur question. If ur Iman is intact, and ALLAH is with U, how can anyone harm U? U have example of Badr with U. And did America really has guts to bomb Pakistan if Mushy denied to obilige? Certainly not. Only a hypocrite could give such excuse to back stab muslims. I m afraid what lessons they took from history.
Woh Daur Bhi Dekha Hai, Tareekh Ki Nazro Ne
*Lamho Ne Khata Ki Thi, Sadiyoon Ne Saza Paayi. *
I m sorry to say this brother, but thats Justice of ALLAH U was talking about, only some cant understand.
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You are right again and that is where the problem is, we humans need to understand that, its not just muslims problem, you can see the effect of it right now credit crunch in the world
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Well maybe brother, but to make us believe its first for muslims who will have to resist the temptation of riba in order to obey ALLAH, than only we can see what good fruits it bears, telling theory without practical test is of no or very little use, dont u agree?
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don't need getting checked by you or anyone, I leave that to my Allah (SWT). I am only answerable to him Almighty, no one else.
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I must agree with U here, no doubt.
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I think we need to do it together and don't make it like whole pakistan or indian public is bad or talban or Raw. Country politicians need to sit together and not start blaming each countries.
Don't you think it would have been appropriate when sad incident happened in Mumbai, (politicians from both countries would have queitly sorted this problem out (regardless of who was culprit) rather they choose to blame the whole country for it?
Do you think if some british terrorist do a act of terrorism in USA (they would blame each other same way? or they will try to catch the culprits and punish them together?
They won't start fight and blaming each other's security services. And please don't tell me you know so much about ISI and RAW (you only know what you been told by INDIAN and Pakistani crap media.
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Well, it were Pakistanis who commited the crime of terrorism in India, and Pakistani govrnment was reluctent to even admit this. They kept on saying that Kasab is not Pakistani but a hindu(coz he sported red band on his wrist often tied by hindus). What if unfortunately he too would have been killed like his associates? And how can the government be trusted which has no will of itself? Its no secret that Pakistan is run by military establishment and ISI. Even sources from ur country admit that. So giving example of britain and america is of no use here. Coz its not a combination of a secular democracy and semi theocratic state, like India and Pakistan.
I like ur idea of sitting together and sorting out mutual disputes, but unfortunately majority of ur countrymen dont think on same lines, which is quiet evident from ur military establishment and ISI actions. And ur civil society's affinity towards Military rule is not a hidden fact.
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NO matter who you are muslim, hindu, christian I don't care because that is matter between you and God. All I care is we need peace on both sides. We need to learn that as a Nation as an Individual and stop this blame game from both side. I am glad in Lahore incident Pak media all in all been brilliant and also their security services and police. ( they did not start jumping up and down within seconds and blaming India) Atlast no offence taken please. I hope we can have educated conversation and I love my relgion as much you may love yours. My life is dedicated to my religion and there is nothing more to me then that. For me everything else is temporary and materialistic. I hope you understand.
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Well Ya I understand and I m glad to have talked to U for who my religious identity doesnt matters. I always dream of ppls who could leave religion as a matter between one and his GOD. But who can know better than U that it is seldome done in muslim societies. I wish that there are more on ur side who can take part in debates and talks rather than being offensive and raising war hysteria. With the prayer, that may India Pak friendship become a reality one day, I conclude this.
Peace.
