Pakistan getting $1.3 billion worth of arms from US

having already lost one of the three such aircraft in October 99 when it crashed off the Balochistan coast near Pasni during a routine flight. The Orion is a reconnaissance and ASW (anti-submarine warfare) plane; it is primarily a defensive platform.

read the article…
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^^ This must be an Indian Origin article,need correction as follows;

PC3 was shot down in-side Pakistan’s territory shot down by Indian GunShip with out warning killing all 13 crew and trainees onboard.
Pakistan shot down an Indian gunship helicopter over North LOC in retaliation,

There could be more details to it,but I don’t have them right now,

Lussi and other pakistani brothers and sisters,

keep up the good work.
The way I see it this is a Pakistani forum where we try to make a positive contribution to our beloved country’s development in whatever little way we can.

I think we should just ignore the Indians here! Who cares about what they think. Most Indians I have met have one-track minds and they bring in: terrorism, ISI, "pakistan has no “sovereignty”, and the like in EVERYTHING they do related to Pakistan!.

They have NEVER spared efforts to malign and undermine Pakistan whenever they got the opportunity. In fact Indians’ posture changed dramatically after Pakistan came out in the open with its nuclear capabilities!: then the tone in Delhi changed from:

“Hum rakshash soun ka sarvanash kar dain gae - Kashmir pora lotta dou” - to

“Aray aray au let’s sit and talk - let’s talk peace - after all we are all south asian!!!” and people in govt. who were dancing in the streets at the break-up of East Pakistan in 1971 suddenly said that before death their only wish is to have peace with Pakistan in 1999!!.

Let them stew in their own jealousies, fantasies, wishful thinking.

They have nothing better to do than to keep making comparisons with a country less than half their size and less than 1/10th in their population!!!
And we all know what happens to them if they try to compare themselves to China!!! (remember 1962!!!)

I mean there are over a billion of them on the planet today - I think our time is better spent on focusing on our own issues than to try to engage them in addressing their fantasy-world notions and arguments.

Just wanted to let you know that this works fine for me. I have more time to keep educating Pakistanis and myself on ideas and what we can do to improve our country rather than participate in discusssions with them that mirror their own insecurities and senseless notions.

By the way, why so MANY Indians in a Pakistani forum in the first place? I am surprised that our eastern neighbours really think about us so much in their everyday lives!!! Really surprised!

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*Originally posted by Shamalee Fares: *
I think we should just ignore the Indians here! Who cares about what they think.
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Looking at the way the developed world is investing money in India should tell you exactly who cares about what India thinks and says.

Looking at the way in which USA wants to cooperate in the defence and space fields with India should tell you who cares about what India thinks and says.

Just the mere talk of India becoming a permanent member of UNSC with Veto power should tell you who cares about what India thinks and says.

Everytime people mention India they talk about the largest democracy in the world, whereas when they talk about Pakistan they talk about a breeding ground for terrorism and prolifiration of nuclear technology. This should tell you exactly who cares about what India thinks and says.

My friend, you should be proud that Indians take interest in Pakistan, and in paricular this board. Diversity is good for the mind and the soul.

There is a beautiful world outside Pakistan and India - embrace all that is good in it. :)

Aalse,

My point is to ignore Indians with a negative mindset who come to GS and post their negativity.

As long as we have Indians who think (and believe) that nothing good can come out of Pakistan and nothing bad can come out of India, we will have this problem.

And I have said earlier that Pakistan needs to "break-free" from its "india-fixation". I have said it earlier in some other thread that we need to bolster relations with Iran, Bangladesh and other neighbours - why stuck on just one neighbour........................................

regarding your point on India's permanent seat in the UN Security Council - do you know what will the FIRST action India will undertake if it gets this? think about it!

The way to success and prosperity for Pakistan does not lie in having relationships of an extreme dimension with the eastern neighbour. There is another way besides: (a) full "cultural" integration, and (b) full state of war!!! There needs to be a moderated and controlled relationship in my view.

And no, I won't be happy or proud that Indians take such an interest in my country! I am indifferent to that because I have met dozens of Indians who talk about eventually controlling Pakistan economically!
I know not all Indians are like that but when it comes to India, I believe we need to be cautious and skeptical. We are an independent country and we need to start thinking outside the box and stop living in a world where prosperity is linked to degree of peaceful relations with ONE neighbour - we have other neighbours and our passive leaderships (be they "democratically elected" or militarily imposed, need to do more!)

When I said who cares about what Indians think, I was referring to the negative posts put up by Indians here! I saw PAkistanis trying to counter-argue their nonsensical ideas (eg "Mughal ambitions of Pakistan!! lol!!! )-

And one last thing: Indian Muslims. I don't know why Pakistanis stop dead in their tracks when someone tells them that there are over 100 million Muslims in India!!! So bloody what if there are Indian Muslims!!!

Indian Muslims from Uttar Pradesh to Kerala have made a choice: which is not wanting to be part of the Islamic state of Pakistan! Get over it Pakistan! that's their choice!! The Indian President is a Muslim who has been a (if not the key) player in designing Indian nuclear missiles (and by the way, they had Pakistan in mind not China when they did this!) and he says that when dies he should be cremated and not buried! that's his choice................................but is this the kind of Muslims Pakistan should try to emulate? The whole purpose of Pakistan was to block the perceived real and present danger of being overwhelmed by an alien culture which would undermine our identity: (1) primarily religious identity and (2) cultural identity (for eg Urdu language being replaced by "hindustani" language, etc.

And you have numerous other Indian Muslims, like Shah Rukh Khan, who call themselves "Islamic heroes" and proudly say that they have hindu wives and that they are "secular"!!! Is this what we want in Pakistan?? We have our own country, our own national interests, our own strategic interests and issues. We don't need India's "attention label" to feel proud or happy! I think that's ridiculous. Let Indians (Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus,etc.) do what they want. Why should it affect our priorities to such an extent?

I shall continue with some of these ideas in the "Politics" forum. But I hope Pakistanis can understand this viewpoint as well. The last thing we need is to drown in India's love and then 20 years later look back and regret it!!!

aray aray Aalsi and Shamalee Fares, no need to enter into a heated argument. :slight_smile: Welcome to GS, i see you two are new members here.
Enjoy your stay and happy posting… :flower1:

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*Originally posted by Shamalee Fares: *
.... The last thing we need is to drown in India's love and then 20 years later look back and regret it!!!
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Well how about Bharat drowning in Pakistan's love?

Why do you have to be so frightened of our Eastern neighbor? They are non 10 foot tall like Iraqi insurgents. We can handle Bharatis. They know it. Do you?

We are real fighters, we will fight with India just like previous wars,
thats the only thing we can do. Americans will supply us all the age old weaponery to us so that we start killing each other. Most of the Indians we killed uptill now are MUSLIMS. THats the way we express our brotherhood. Great aim, great philosophy.

^ disco maulana, come up with facts that the only people killed by pakistani missiles were indian muslims. Stupid comments like these make u a real disco maulana.

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Re: Pakistan getting $1.3 billion worth of arms from US

Getting handouts from other nations is something worth celebrating?

Re: Pakistan getting $1.3 billion worth of arms from US

Wow!! Is this the same US that ate our F16 $$$ and the refund came in plenty and plenty and plenty of soya source..... Hey milk the cow all you can, consider this interest on the original amount....

hallelujah

Re: Pakistan getting $1.3 billion worth of arms from US

Such negative comments on both sides, and considering that all we are discussing are a couple of upgraded Marine Survailance Aricraft, Anti-Tank Missile systems and Improved Turrrets for the Sea Craft.

Personally all these intellectually challanged comments have reduced the weight of the original posting! We should have been discussing their role in the defence strategy, please read up on the PC-3 Orion and you will find out what i mean!

.... Sad really!