do dogs ever bark on its masters, they only bark on their own people when they enter his master’s house.
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/may-2004/10/EDITOR/edi1.asp
**Third time lucky? **
James Bond once said, “Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. But thrice is enemy action.” What then is one to make of the third straying by US forces across the Durand Line, all within the last couple of weeks? In the first incident, the defenders of our borders found out only after the Americans had come and gone. In the second and third, the Americans left when the Pakistani forces arrived and explained to them that they had crossed over into Pakistan. The second time, they left at once. The third time, it seems they had to be persuaded to go. The first time, they entered a village, bodysearched the locals and distributed leaflets offering a reward for former Taliban Minister and Afghan Jihad commander, Maulana Jalaluddin Haqqani. In the next two incidents, the figleaf of leaflets was abandoned, and they merely conducted searches. Clearly, something unusual is afoot. After all, after the Tripartite Commission convinced the US forces to observe the Durand Line, and not to rely on Khalq-Parcham era maps of Afghanistan, there have been no intrusions. Even then, the intrusions were not on the ground, but in the shape of overflights, and even one mistaken aerial attack. Now, we have US ground forces who seem to have forgotten their basic map-reading skills. Or have they?
This string of incidents has to be seen in the context of the Wana operation, its aftermath (which is reflected in the current deadlock there, with foreigners refusing to register despite yet another extension in the government-extended deadline) and the statements by the US Ambassador to Kabul (and its de facto proconsul), Mr Zalmay Khalilzad, that Pakistan needed to ‘do more,’ a refrain which had been applied to it by Western powers more with reference to Kashmir and India than with reference to Afghanistan. Though Mr Khalilzad’s remarks, which he only partially tempered later, were forcefully rejected by our Foreign Office, and though they were not endorsed by any other US government spokesman, including Lt Gen David Barno, whose troops are making these basic map-reading mistakes, they were not disowned by the US government at any level, and Mr Khalilzad continues to remain Ambassador. The US forces which tried to cover their own professional incompetence by pushing Pakistan into launching the ill-fated Wana operation, are now clearly trying to establish that they can do the job better.
Pakistan can expect increasing US pressure to let its troops cross the Durand Line at will. The pattern of behaviour emerging is of US troops being told to test Pakistan’s resolve by arranging a series of incidents of line crossings, and at the moment their orders seem to be to withdraw if challenged by Pakistani forces. This is highly disturbing, and the Pakistan government must not restrict its protests to private channels, but should rebuke the USA publicly, and to warn it to stand by the commitment that no foreign troops would operate on Pakistani soil. The present policy of downplaying this rank insult to Pakistan’s sovereignty will lead nowhere. It should be made clear to the Americans that every state has the right to defend its borders by force if necessary.
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do dogs ever bark on its masters, they only bark on their own people when they enter his master's house.
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ARE YOU REFFERING TO YOUR SELF? WOULD YOU LIKE A BONE....
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do dogs ever bark on its masters, they only bark on their own people when they enter his master's house.
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bro i know you are exactly right....if they were not slaves they would have atleast told the americans that why or what made them com across without permission? man this is obvious move by the americans to show paki gov that they aint scared of them...
but the sad part is that innocent tribesmen are stuck in this dirty war...god almighty help us in any way...ameen
US troops again enter Lowara Mandi
Miran Shah —Least deterred by protest Pakistan lodged against US over its incursions into Pakistan’s territory, US troops on Friday crossed into Lowara Mandi.
The fresh incursion by US into the said territory is fifth consecutive intrusion by US into the country’s territorial jurisdictions.
This time around it was twice in the same day when US troops violated Pakistani borderlines and entered Lowara Mandi.
The US incursion clearly speaks that US has no concern about Pakistan’s sovereignty.
The reports reached here have revealed that on Friday afternoon some 20 US troops topped on four Humvee and two armovred vehicles reached Tochi Scouts (Frontier Constabulary) check post and attempted to enter Pakistani territory but FC men after negotiations persuaded US troops to go back to their posts in Afghanistan.
US troops, who seemed to be on ‘something special’ made another attempt and managed to enter Lowara Mandi two hours later. They (US troops) remained in the area for sometime and carried out their search in main Bazar.
Some local tribesmen informed the FC camp personnel, prompting Captain Nasir and FC personnel to reach the scene.
Captain Nasir forced US troops to go back to Afghanistan, however, the ceaseless US incursions seem to continue.—Online
U.S. troops cross into Pakistan for the 5th time
Kasuri says it’s unacceptable.. 5 times is pretty unacceptable if you ask me!
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) – About 130 U.S. troops have crossed from Afghanistan into Pakistan looking for Taliban or al Qaeda fighters, Pakistani intelligence sources and local authorities said Sunday, in what is believed to be the fifth such operation in two weeks.
The Americans crossed into the Pakistani tribal territory of North Waziristan on Saturday after exchanging “hard words” with Pakistani border scouts, intelligence sources said. Local officials said the U.S. convoy included 14 vehicles and an estimated 130 troops.
It was the second time in less than a week that U.S. troops crossed the border without Pakistani permission. Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri on Friday called the incursions “totally unacceptable” and said they would only encourage critics of Pakistan’s cooperation with the United States.
Three other incursions were reported the previous week, and Pakistan has officially protested two of the violations.
You are right Zakk, it is acceptable, that's why it's happening. Kasuri should either stop it happening or shut up as it draws unnecessary attention to the situation.
Re: U.S. troops cross into Pakistan for the 5th time
Hmm, this needs attention!
US already has several bases in pak owns our airports and knows information about anyone in pak.
musharraff already opened the gates and let them in long time ago!
i think the best way to counter this is to start artillery fire at them whenevr they are seen venturing in and if a few die just shrug it off sasying "we thought they were alqaeda". thatll make them think before crossing over.
Zakk, you think our troops should engage them as they cross into our terrotory like Haris is suggesting? If not, what other options do we have? Mush should tell the US military to pack up and leave?
5abi: I don't believe firing artillery shells would help, what I do think is they should be halted as soon as they enter.That is what an Army is for in the end, it's purpose is to defend the borders of a nation. That does not mean using force, but if Pakistan is this great ally on the war on terror the borders should be treated with some respect. Consider two possibilities, one what if US troops cross the border and are ambushed, they will want revenge and might push through thousands of troops through the border, what happens in that case? Two consider what if US troops are allowed to repeatedly cross the border..suppose they have information that "Al Qaeda" are deeper in Pakistani territory and they send troops directly into Deria Ismail Khan or DG Khan? I am sure you know the old story of the camel in the tent 5abi, if you give the US an inch, they will take a mile.
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US already has several bases in pak owns our airports and knows information about anyone in pak.
musharraff already opened the gates and let them in long time ago!
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are they ever gonna leave from our country?? or its just temporary?
Nothing with the US is temporary. Totally unacceptable. Kill some americans, string them up on the border point and blame Al Qaeda. That should work.
That would work … to make the Americans bring out the B-52s and bomb the tribal areas to bits
pakistanis cant clean up nwfp and not allowing others to do the job
why this contradiction?
And that is bad how? Dumbass.
Rvikz, you guys cant clean up Kashmir why not let someone else do it?
Working together to rid the terrorists in Pakistan such as the ones who set off bombs today would be the smartest move.
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5abi: I don't believe firing artillery shells would help, what I do think is they should be halted as soon as they enter.That is what an Army is for in the end, it's purpose is to defend the borders of a nation. That does not mean using force, but if Pakistan is this great ally on the war on terror the borders should be treated with some respect. Consider two possibilities, one what if US troops cross the border and are ambushed, they will want revenge and might push through thousands of troops through the border, what happens in that case? Two consider what if US troops are allowed to repeatedly cross the border..suppose they have information that "Al Qaeda" are deeper in Pakistani territory and they send troops directly into Deria Ismail Khan or DG Khan? I am sure you know the old story of the camel in the tent 5abi, if you give the US an inch, they will take a mile.
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Good points Zakk. A few things as I understand them.
The Waziristan area bordering Afghanistan is a loose border, thanks mainly due to the rugged terrain. Its prolly difficult to distinguish where Afghanistan ends and the lawless Tribal Area starts. If im wrong correct me.
I dont think we have guaranteed safety of US troops entering our land from the Afghan side. If they are ambushed or killed, they should what they are getting into. I dont think Pakistan will allow US military personnnel to roam around freely in Pak hunting for Al Qaeda. IF we do, first place where they would want to do any military action would be in city of Karachi. Anyway, there are already hundreds if not thousands of CIA/FBI/DIA agents in Pakistan working on intelligence leads. These civilian folks are helping our military boys catch the bad guys.
Still, what do you think our response should be to these incursions? Im sure our military commanders are in touch with their US counterparts in Afghanistan and relaying our concerns.