Is it true?
Suppose to be Aug 2002.........
I've read about it in Nawaiwaqt.
K thnx
Interesting news to follow during his visit..
France may offer frigates sale
www.dawn.com
By Paul Michaud
PARIS, Aug 1: French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin, in office only 100 days, has decided to emphasize France’s special relations with Pakistan and India by choosing to visit Islamabad and New Delhi during his first official tour of Asia.
Pakistan and India were selected as the first Asian destinations of the newly-named foreign minister, notes Quai d’Orsay spokesman Philippe Rivasseau, “because they are countries with which we’ve had long relations of confidence.”
In going to Delhi on Friday (Aug 2) and Islamabad on Saturday (Aug 3), Mr de Villepin decided to pay special honour to two countries with which France plans to significantly step up its bilateral relations.
“France definitely wants to let both countries know that they have an important role to play in France’s future, and through France, in that of the European Union too,” notes another Foreign Ministry source.
In each country, notes Mr Rivasseau, “Mr de Villepin will engage in talks with the leading officials, including Gen Musharraf in Pakistan,” one of the rare times where a foreign minister is invited to meet with a country’s head of state.
“Through these and other such meetings,” adds Mr Rivasseau, “the French foreign minister will be able to review all the various areas in which France and Pakistan have cooperated, and which are at the centre of their long-lasting special relations.”
The two countries will discuss notably the elaboration of a defence accord, this in the wake of the terrorist attack last May 8 in Karachi which saw eleven French naval employees lose their lives.
In spite of calls made recently by a major French trade union and a leading member of the defence commission of the French National Assembly, France is understood to want to not only continue its defence cooperation with Pakistan - which is at present limited to a 1994 accord under which construction of three Agosta class submarines were taken in hand - but also increase its level, to the point where France would supply Pakistan with further military hardware, perhaps some of the same furtive frigates that France is currently in the process of supplying to Saudi Arabia.
French defence ministry sources say that discussion of the DCN contract for construction of the Agost-90B submarines will be “high on the agenda” of the talks between Mr de Villepin and the Pakistani authorities.
Mr de Villepin is also expected to discuss the inquiry into the May 8 attack on the French defence employees, an inquest that was personally requested back on May 9 by French defence minister Madam Michele Alliot-Marie, then in Pakistan to recover the corpses of the slain French nationals.
“Since then,” notes Mr Rivasseau, “we’ve had the chance to manifest our concern to Pakistani authorities on two occasions. The first time, to ask that the inquest be allowed to progress at a faster pace, this to identify, arrest and try the authors of this dramatic incident which cost the lives of eleven of our compatriots. The second occasion, more recently, to insist that we be associated with the Pakistani investigation and be kept informed as to the progress they make. For the moment, the inquest continues and we are in close touch with the appropriate Pakistani authorities.”
In India, Mr de Villepin is to meet Prime Minister Vajpayee, Deputy Prime Minister Advani, Foreign Minister Sinha and Defence Minister Fernandes.
France has decided to transfer its consular services to the British consulate general in Karachi, this as a result of the decision to shut down its own consulate in Karachi for security reasons
Pakistan Ready To Build Submarines
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PAKISTAN - ALL THE WAY
Pak Navy launches 2nd Agosta sub on 24th
Aroosa Alam
ISLAMABAD—Equipped with lethal and first ever French SUBTICS (Submarine Tactical Integrated Combat System) along with Exocet missiles and four bow torpedo tubes, the second jointly built Agosta 90-B submarine will be launched by Pakistan Navy for six months water trials on the 24th of this month.
Senior defence sources told Pakistan Observer that work on the second submarine has been completed and the second boat is now ready to be put in waters for trials and collecting data. Pakistan Navy is making efforts to have President General Pervez Musharraf as the chief guest at this landmark event. But if the President due to his over booked schedule does not make it to the event, the Chief of Naval Staff will launch the first proud production of Karachi Dockyard which has built second Agosta with the help of French technicians from DCN and Cherbough in four years. Initially the second Agosta-90B was to be launched in 2001 and commissioned in PN by Feb 2002 but due to September 11 terrorist attacks, the work on the second submarine was halted for many months. Later the work was stopped after the killing of eleven French technicians working on the project. But quite contrary to various Press reports a limited number of French technicians came back within three weeks of the attacks to resume work on the second Agosta. The Chief of Naval Staff while talking to Pakistan Observer in a dinner at Saudi Ambassador’s residence last month confirmed the return of some French technicians on the project.
Admiral Aziz Mirza told Pakistan Observer that French team has resumed work on the project and the second submarine will be put into waters for six months trials by end of August. He said while under the Transfer of Technology agreement, Pakistani technicians and engineers can work on the project without French assistance, Pakistan does need French assistance for data collection during the six months water trials. He told that Pakistan Navy will house the French team inside the Naval installations for security. “ In fact I have personally taken charge of the security arrangements for the French engineers and technicians.” said the Naval Chief hoping that remaining members of the French team will soon return to Pakistan.
The launching ceremony of second Agosta 90-B will also be attended by a DCNI team who are the co-partners in the submarine project along with Cherbourg shipyard.
The main feature of Agosta 90-Bs is the AIP system which not only increases the submerged endurance of the submarine but also gives option to upgrade the sub into nuclear powered boat. The first Agosta will have AIP retrofitted while the remaining two will be built from kits supplied in Pakistan. Pakistani Agosta 90B subs will have the first application of the French SUBTICS integrated combat system. This system integrates all acoustic and non-acoustic sensor inputs, weapons, navigation systems, command and weapon control systems on six twin screen consoles. The Agosta 90-B has four torpedo tubes and 16 weapon spaces for a mix of F17 Mod.2 torpedoes and Exocet SM 39 Sub launched anti-ship missiles. The submarines can also fire the Sub-Harpoon missile.
Simultaneous engagement and weapon launch is possible for 2 missiles, or 2 wire-guided torpedoes, or one ordinary torpedo and one missile. The MESMA AIP system allows for a five-fold or more endurance capability while submerged.
Based on 20 years experience DCN and Thomson Marconi have jointly developed integrated systems for Pakistani subs for both data analysis and system manning. This system is called SUBTICS. The main subsystems of SUBTICS are (a) a comprehensive set of sensors which include: bow cylindrical or conformal arrays; towed arrays and flank or distributed arrays that multiply the detection capability of the submarine against silent targets, (b) all types of heavyweight wire guided torpedoes and fire and forget SM 39 Exocet missile which together cover an action area out to 40 km, (c) an integrated architecture which links both sensors and weapons to the system’s communication and data handling core through the databases of the system network.
Agosta 90-B submarines will give teeth to Pakistan Navy beyond Indian comprehension whose Navy is three time larger than Pakistan. Pakistan Navy recently successfully test-fired Exocet SM39 ff missiles and perhaps it was due to this capability of PN that Indian warships did not come near to Pakistani waters during the recent escalation. Eventaully the Indian Navy had to pull back its ships to the coast.
Pakistan will build third Agosta-90B independently at Karachi Dockyard after the second sub gets commissioned early next year. Pakistan has also offered to some Far Eastern and Gulf countries to build Agostas for their navies and some serious negotiations have been reported in this regard with some potential clients.
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Third one is going to be 100% made in Pakistan and Pakistan should make another 6 by 2010
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Now it only takes one and a half year to make one…
KARACHI, Aug 23: **The Pakistan Navy will launch its first indigenously built submarine on Saturday, a press release said. The launching of this submarine symbolizes an important landmark in the acquisition of the Agosta 90B submarine , which is being indigenously built in Pakistan. **:biggthumb:
**Construction of second Agosta 90B started in 1998, as part of the same contract under which DCN International of France had constructed one Agosta 90B at Cherbourg, France, while two are being built locally. **
The submarine being launched is the second of the series - the first being the PNS/M Khalid, which was commissioned in September, 1999, and is operating successfully since then. The Agosta 90B has been named as a Khalid Class submarine.
The two submarines at present being constructed here would progressively replace a part of the submarine fleet.
The design of the Agosta 90B is similar to the proven Agosta, built by France in the 70s. The new Agostas have been fitted with modern command and control systems and weapon suites. These subs are capable of launching anti-ship missiles and various types of torpedoes.
The Navy’s Agosta 90B will be equipped with a 200kW MESMA installation. This air independent propulsion system will significantly increase submerged endurance of the vessel.
The first MESMA propulsion unit has been delivered and will be installed in the third of the three Agostas being built in Karachi.
The Agosta 90B has been designed for anti-submarine, anti-surface, intelligence gathering and sea patrol operations.
:hula:PAKISTAN - ALL THE WAY:hula:
Its compeleted!! yay!! Congragulations! :)
Agosta Launched; Ship Deal on Cards
KARACHI, Aug 24: As Pakistan Navy launched the first indigenously built Agosta 90B submarine on Saturday, six months ahead of sea trials, it announced to negotiate a similar deal with China for the construction of four surface ships.
“We have achieved a very big (defence) capability,” said Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Abdul Aziz Mirza, at the launching ceremony at the Naval Dockyard here.
**“Pakistan Navy today joins the elite club of a very few countries which have the ability to build submarines,” ** said the naval chief.
The launching of submarine “SAAD” is Pakistan Navy’s biggest achievement and contribution towards indegenization and self-reliance. With this launch, PN’s submarine strength has increased to nine, said the naval chief.
The submarine is equipped with four bow torpedo tubes and missiles, with its fighting capacity coordinated by the French-made Submarine Tactical Integrated Combat System (STICS).
According to Pakistan Navy, the Agosta 90-B has been designed to operate as an anti-submarine, anti-surface and intelligence gathering platform and is also capable of diving deeper than 300 meters (about 1,000 feet) with a maximum sprint speed of 20 knots (40 kilometres per hour).
Presence of the Chairman of Direction des Constructions Navales (DCN), France, at the launching ceremony, whose 11 engineers were killed and 12 were injured in a car bomb explosion here on May 8, symbolised the continuation of cooperation between the two countries.
He said the third Agosta 90B, being built indigenously, will be launched sometimes next year. Admiral Mirza later told newsmen that for the third Agosta, 70 per cent of construction work would be carried out here whereas some sections would be imported from France.
The contract for the construction of three such submarines was signed in 1995 but the work on the project was initiated in 1997. The first submarine, KHALID, built in France, was inducted in the PN fleet in 1999.
About the future plans of shipbuilding in Pakistan, Admiral Mirza said the government has okayed plan for the construction of four surface ships for which we want to negotiate a deal with China on transfer of technology basis.
One of the four F-22 P type 2,500-ton frigates will be built in China while the remaining three will be built in Pakistan in the existing facilities, said Admiral Mirza.
He said that acquisition and construction of surface ships was also a priority for the Navy. It is necessary that after the construction of these three submarines this programme should continue in the future, he emphasised.
Replying to a question, he said that despite the presence of a large number of submarines in the Indian fleet, Pakistan has an edge as far as the submarine capability - weapon systems, sensors and missile system - is concerned.
He dispelled the impression that India could mount a blockade of Karachi and said there is a lot of difference between the 1971 situation and the current circumstances.
He stated that our aviation assets also have missiles. So now the enemy cannot even think of anything like the blockade of Karachi. If their ships do come near Karachi then we will get the best target, he added.
Referring to the incident in which French engineers fell victim to terrorist attack in Karachi, Admiral Mirza said that though this could have inflicted irrevocable damage, the Agosta project remained on track, “thanks to the excellent cooperation between France and Pakistan. This is a message to those who committed the cowardly act of terrorism that such incidents will not deter or dissuade the two countries from achieving the common desired objectives,” said Admiral Mirza.
In recognition of the sacrifices made by the French technicians the section building hall of the SMC was named “Cherbourg Hall”.
Earlier in his welcome address, the Commander Logistics, Rear Admiral Mushtaq Ahmed, gave a resume of the project which he termed a milestone.
Begum H.H. Ahmed, wife of a former Naval chief, pressed the button to lower the submarine into the water.
The ceremony was also attended by the Chairman of DCN (Log) France, Yves Couchet, Director DCN Laurent Barthelemy Cherbourg, Director Submarine Project Alain Yvetot, were also present on the occasion.
:hula:PAKISTAN - ALL THE WAY:hula:
AGOSTA SUBMARINE 
Agosta Engineers Back In Karachi
ISLAMABAD, Aug 25: All French engineers required for the construction of Agosta submarines are back in Pakistan to resume work at the naval facility near Karachi under strict security, well-placed sources told Dawn on Saturday.
Inter-Service Public Relations Director-General Maj-Gen Rashid Qureshi told Dawn on Saturday that some French technicians had come to work on the submarine project without specifying their number and arrival date. “I have no such details,” he said when pressed by this correspondent.
Diplomatic sources said that all French marine engineers crucial to the project’s completion had returned to Karachi before the French foreign minister’s visit to Pakistan earlier this month. “The French and Pakistan governments had decided to remain tight-lipped about it because of security reasons,” sources said.
The foreign ministry had also avoided confirming the return of French workers at its weekly news briefings.
Sources said the French intelligence chief had visited Pakistan before the return of the technicians to assess the security situation and had discussed special security measures with the Pakistani agencies.
Another source told Dawn that in order to guard against any security lapses, the French authorities had deployed their own personnel to provide protection to the technicians.
“If the French are targeted again, it will be the end of French cooperation on this project,” a French reporter associated with daily Libert’e commented.
The reporter, who was in Pakistan last week, pointed out that the French government’s decision to send back its technicians had met with stiff opposition from the construction company’s union and the public at large.
“It is a big risk that the French government has taken because it wants a strategic alliance with Pakistan. However, if anything happens now there will be no second chance,” he said.
A French defence delegation is currently in Pakistan to review progress on the project. The delegates include top representatives of France’s Direction des Constructions Navales, the firm assisting Pakistan in the construction of Agosta-90B submarines.
French engineers and other staff working on Agosta were pulled out of Pakistan after the May 8 terrorist attack that had killed 11 French naval personnel and wounded another two dozen workers in Karachi.
Though shocked by the attack, the **French defence minister had announced later that France would continue its military cooperation with Pakistan without giving a precise date of the resumption of the mission. **
Notably, the French foreign minister did not mention a word during his visit to Pakistan about the Agosta submarine project at the press conference here.
Pak, France Ink Agreement On Training Armed Forces
RAWALPINDI, August 28 (PNS): **An agreement was signed between the Governments of Pakistan and France Tuesday regarding funding for the training of Pakistan Armed Forces trainees undergoing courses in France. **
Rear Admiral Irfan Ahmed, Additional Secretary, Ministry of defense and Mr. Eric Berti Charge de Affairs, the Embassy of France signed the Agreement.
This agreement set out the understanding between the two governments concerning funding by the Government of France for the Pakistan Military personnel, other than those on reciprocal basis who are undergoing training courses in France.
Diversified fields of military/defense exist between Pakistan and France since 1947 and over the years the two countries have been maintaining cordial relations in this area.
Pakistan Air Force maintains the highest number of Mirage Aircraft in any Air Force in the world.
The Agosta 90-B Submarine project is an ample proof of the excellent defense cooperation that exists between the two countries.
The signing of this Agreement will go a long way in further strengthening the military cooperation between the two countries.
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First home-made Agosta launched
Admiral Mirza says Pakistan Navy now has an edge over Indian navy; ‘Sino-Pak agreement for construction of four ships soon’
By our correspondent
KARACHI: Pakistan Navy launched the second Agosta 90-B, which is the country’s first home-produced submarine, at an impressive ceremony at the PN Dockyard here on Saturday.
“The country has now joined the elite club of a very few countries, having the ability to make submarines,” said Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Abdul Aziz Mirza, who was the chief guest on the occasion. “It is a big achievement and a contribution towards the indigenisation and self-reliance of the country,” he added. Agosta 90-B is Pakistan’s first-ever indigenously-built, conventional submarine, named PNS-S Saad. Admiral Mirza said that the third Agosta 90-B submarine would be launched towards the end of 2003 after which the strength of Pakistan Navy submarines would be nine. He expressed the confidence that successful completion of this project would further enhance indigenous capability of the Pakistan Navy. He said that Pakistan had signed a contract with France’s DCN International in September 1994 for construction of first Agosta 90-B submarine in France. As per the contract, the second and third ones were to be completed in Pakistan through extensive transfer of technology, he added. The first Agosta 90-B submarine, constructed in France was delivered to Pakistan Navy in September 1999. It forms part of Pakistan Navy fleet as PNS-M Khalid.
The naval chief congratulated the DCN International of France for assisting Pakistan Navy in the construction of Agosta 90-B at PN Dockyard Karachi and said: “It symbolises the strong bond of friendship and proven relationship between France and Pakistan. Pakistan Navy is grateful to the French for all efforts they have put in towards making this event a reality.” Speaking of the “sacrifice” of those French technicians who were killed and wounded on May 8, 2002 in an attack in Karachi, he said though the incident could have inflicted irrevocable damage, the project remained on track, thanks to the excellent cooperation between France and Pakistan.
“This is a message to those, who committed cowardly act of terrorism, that such incidents will not deter or dissuade the two countries from achieving their common objectives,” he said. “I am confident that this cooperation between us will continue to grow further,” he added. As acknowledgement of the sacrifices of the French technicians, the section building hall of PN Dockyard would be named as Cherbourg Hall, he said. Later talking to newsmen, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Abdul Aziz Mirza said: “With the induction of the modern-day Agosta 90-B submarines into the naval fleet, Pakistan Navy now has edge over the India navy.” (What BS) “Agosta 90-B submarines are equipped with SM39 missiles and torpedoes,” he informed. To a question, the naval chief said that India could resort to naval blockade of Karachi. To another question, he said that there had been no deployment of Indian naval ships outside territorial limits of Pakistan in past few months. He said that an Indian ship was present outside 200 nautical miles limit, but when it was warned that the planes of Pakistan Navy’s Aviation Wing were equipped with missiles, it returned. He said after acquiring the highly-sophisticated technology and capability to undertake construction of Agosta 90-B indigenously at PN Dockyard Karachi, the Pakistan Navy would ask the government to continue this programme as “it is in the larger national interest and will help in replacing old submarines in the naval fleet.”
On the occasion, he informed: “Pakistan and China are expected to sign a contract shortly for the construction of four surface naval ships F22-Babr of 2,500 tonnes.” The first ship would be constructed in China and the remaining three at Karachi’s Naval Dockyard, he said. He said that the government had approved “this priority project”, under which Chinese technology would also be transferred to Pakistan. Earlier, in his welcome address, Commander Logistics Rear Admiral Mushtaq Ahmed said: “Today’s milestone has been achieved after four long years of hard work and dedicated efforts by a team of officers, supervisors and workmen of PN Dockyard.” He paid special thanks to the DCN International of France for its valuable and continuous support towards the achievement of this goal.
Later, “Dua-i-Khair” was offered and the national anthem was played. Begum HH Ahmed, wife of a former naval chief, pressed a button to lower the submarine into the water. The ceremony was also attended by Chairman DCN (Log) Yves Couchet, Director DCN Laurent Barthelemy Cherbourg and Director Submarine Project Alain Yvetot.
Agosta looks great 
Pak-Built Agosta Submarine Up For Sale
KARACHI: Pakistan has achieved a huge milestone in defence production, and would offer a newly built state-of-the-art Agosta 90-B submarine for sale, at the IDEAS 2000 exhibition to be held from Monday, at the Expo Centre.
However, the prestigious missile series including Hataf, Anza, Ghori and Shaheen are exclusively meant to boost the defence of the country and hence, not to be offered for trade.
This was disclosed by Air Commodore Mansoor Malik, Director, Policy Planning and Development of Defence Export Promotion Organisation (DEPO), to The News during the press briefing of IDEAS 2002 - the second International Defence Exhibition and Seminar - here on Saturday.
The highly sophisticated submarine of world class classification could be seen at the sprawling Pakistan Naval Dockyard at Karachi Harbour, said the official who was reluctant not to spell out its price and other secret logistics.
“We would market the Agosta 90-B as Pakistan has the technology and license to manufacture and sell it,”:biggthumb: the confident looking DEPO official whispered while sitting next to this scribe at the briefing.
However, he said; that missile programme is solely for the country. Every thing is not for sale, he said. It is not the time for selling the missiles, he added. These are here, just for exhibiting and to show our skill in defence production, he said.
Similarly, the mirage aircraft are just for display, he informed. Pakistan has made various modifications in the aircraft and turned it into ‘as per our requirement’. “If any friend country desires to get our help for modifications, we are ready to provide our services,”:biggthumb: he said.
Beside, several electronic instruments, night vision equipment and others, the major products for sale, are the K-8 advanced air trainer aircraft, Super Mushak primary trainer aircraft, Al-Khalid and Al-Zarrar tanks, APCs and UAVs.
Pakistan has already exported the Mushak aircraft to Oman, along with arms and ordnance to the tune of $6 million. “Pakistan is now emerging as the international player in the world defence market,”:biggthumb: Air Commodore Mansoor Malik said.
China is the major partner of Pakistan at all the three levels including the last level of research and development. While Turkey is the only partner of Pakistan that is not only exporting arms to Pakistan but also importing. The trade balance in defence export with Turkey is in favour of Pakistan, Mansoor said.
A big market also exists for Europe and the US for our game weapons and Pakistan is trying every opportunity to explore it, he said. The game weapons are manufactured in the Pakistani tribal area especially in the Darra area, he said. The DEPO has streamlined the weapon manufacturing in the non-organised sector in ‘Darra’ area and are fetching millions of dollars.
Before a visit of the ‘Expo Centre’, he highlighted the different aspects of the IDEAS 2002- during a press briefing. Pakistan has a great potential in the export of arms as it has hard core manufacturing and doesn’t rely on foreign agencies, he said.
To achieve the export target, we are reshaping market strategy, he stated. Asia is a big market for defence exports. That’s why we are concentrating on it, he said. The former chief of army staff General (retd) Jahangir Karamat chaired the topic of the seminar ‘Emerging Security Environment in Asia’.
Air Commodore Mansoor Malik told the newsmen that IDEAS 2002 is being held at a much larger scale than the last event. Prominent scholars from China, Indonesia, Iran, Egypt, South Korea, Turkey, USA and Pakistan would be participating in the International defence seminar.
The IDEAS 2002 has not only been able to attract attention from trade professionals and manufacturers’, but also has attracted worldwide attendance of over 45 official delegations from more than 30 countries, he informed.
Besides, members of four royal families of Saudi Arabia, Brunei, United Arab Emirates and Oman are also coming to the city for this mega event, he said. In addition to these personalities, defence ministers and chiefs of armed forces from 19 countries have agreed to attend the exhibition.
The federal government plans to double the export target for arms and ordnance export from the existing $80-$85 million in the next year. He said that all the visiting delegates and dignitaries have been invited at the demonstrations, featuring aerial display of K-8, Super Mushak and RPVS, as well as demonstration of the firing capabilities of the land-based weapons including Al-Khalid Tank, Anza guided missile system and Baktar Shikan anti-armour weapon system.
Due to the tense situation at the borders, the aerial display of the mirage and F-16’s will not be included at the event. Aasim A Siddiqui, Chairman and Managing Director of Pegasus, the organisers and sponsors of IDEAS, in his presentation gave full details of the exhibitors.
Siddique said:
“IDEAS 2000 has now become an established biennial event and is the largest tri-service defence exhibition of its kind not only in Pakistan, but in the entire South-Asian region.”
:hula:LONG LIVE PAKISTAN:hula:
Anyone watched trial of Agosta on Khabarnama?
Sea trial of Agosta sub begins
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KARACHI, Jan 19: The first indigenously-built Agosta 90-B submarine, PNS/M Saad, proceeded to the sea for the first surface run and trials.
During the trials the submarines was tested for its propulsion system, chain steering system, fuel system, speed monitoring system, communication system and submarines habitability and atmospheric control system, a news release of ISPR said on Sunday.
The submarine successfully cleared all the trials for systems as per trial performance requirement. This marked the end of harbour trial phase in which 750 trials were carried out before proceeding to sea.
**Submarine Saad has progressed much satisfactorily during all phases of construction, outfitting and trials.
This signifies the quality standard achieved in construction, which are validated during the test of performance at sea in actual operation environment. ** :k:
Commander Logistics Rear Admiral Farooq Rashid, who himself is a mariner, was present on the occasion and witnessed the quality of performance of the indigenously-built submarine.
Pakistan Navy submarine, PNS/M Saad, will be inducted into PN fleet in the mid of this year.-APP
great achievement :k: but we must not forget blood of some french engineers who were blown away by some jahil OBL foloowers who want to kill all from west.. and thanx to Frech Govt for continuing the project..